fiction Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 Crnogorac, pa ti samo spamuješ. edit: BOSANAC Quote
Vlaja Buraz Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 Da ne bi sve ispao čisti spam, statistike sa Amazona, pošto sam pročitao nekih 30-ak recenzija nakon što sam napisao svoju... Most Helpful First: Tek 10. je sa 2 zvjezdice i ona je 9/14 (devet ljudi od četrnaest se slaže sa njom). Sve prije nje su sa 4 i 5 zvjezdica... Prva ima 4 i 82/95. Quote
Apeiron Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 E Djedo, i ti i razmisljanje... Da li se ikada zapitao da neki bend može doći do svog vrhunca i kada nema više gde napred da ide? Ne mislim kao vrhunac u smislu najbolje ikad odsvirano, već najbolje što oni mogu da ponude. Da. To se zove period kad bend treba da se casno povuce. Kao sto Iron Maiden treba, kao sto Queensryche treba, kao sto jos gomila bendova treba, ali zbog para nece. Da se raspadnu, pa neka clanovi traze nove bendove i nove ideje. To je Dickinson najbolje sproveo u delo. I čemu konstantno napredovanje? To je tako idiotsko razmišljanje. Upravo zbog takvih stavova i nastaju nebulozni bendovi koji "hoće da pruže nešto novo". Šta novo majke ti? Pa i sam DT je u početku bio kopija Rusha, YESa i drugih prog rock velikana a svi se mi kunemo u taj period kao originalan i fenomenalan.. Ti Djedo mesas pojam NAPREDOVANJE sa ORIGINALNOSCU. Ja govorim o tome da album treba da bude DOBAR, a pod dobrim ne vidim Metallica rifove u bendu koji je sinonim za progressive metal. Ta kombinacija pali kao kad bi Nightwish ubacio Cannibal Corpse rifologiju. Besmisleno i jedno i drugo. Bend svira ono što im se svidja i odavno su prevazišli klinačke tripove kao na Awake-u A ja mislio da ti znas nesto o muzici i o ovom bendu. Tebi je Awake klinacki trip? I BOLJE sto su smarali producenta tada, jer produkcija bubnja na tom albumu je najbolja u dosadasnjoj DT karijeri. Upravo smecarski zvuk bubnja na narednim izdanjima, uz egoizam Portnoya (plus jos neke stvari), umanjio mi je ljubav koju osecam prema muzici ovoga benda. I KAKVA PRAVILA? icon_mrgreen.gif Ko piše ta pravila? Ko piše pravila da u jednom žanru važi jedno, a u drugom važi drugo? To sam ti vec rekao sa NW i Cannibal poredjenjem. Nemoj ti da mi pricas o nepostovanju pravila! Neke stvari jednostavno NE IDU jedne uz druge, iako jesam prvi protiv zatvaranja i ogranicavanja! Ukratko, postoje DOBRE i LOSE kombinacije. Ono sto Dream danas radi, po meni je losa kombinacija. Sad mi navedi koji to lik ce nakon sto pocne danas slusati DT, pozeleti da cuje i Dreamscape, Andromedu, Zero Hour, Leviathan, Pain of Salvation... ??? Pre da ce slusati MTV nu metal, pop rock, noviju Metallicu... Quote
Atheist Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 Ta kombinacija pali kao kad bi Nightwish ubacio Cannibal Corpse rifologiju. Ovo moze i dobro da zvuci. Quote
ErliK Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 E kad bi svi bendovi cekali da im dodje neka nevidjena inspiracija pa da izbace neko vanserijsko ostvarenje ... mnogi bi u tom poslu ostali gladni Quote
Lordring Posted July 4, 2005 Report Posted July 4, 2005 (edited) Da. To se zove period kad bend treba da se casno povuce. Kao sto Iron Maiden treba, kao sto Queensryche treba, kao sto jos gomila bendova treba, ali zbog para nece. Da se raspadnu, pa neka clanovi traze nove bendove i nove ideje. To je Dickinson najbolje sproveo u delo. Hmm... zato sam i rekao... tako je trve biti trve. Oni su po svojoj profesiji muzičari i stoga da bi živeli od svoje profesije moraju konstantno da stvaraju i komponuju, a činjenica je da je DT bend koji je često imao uspone i padove. Ništa strašno, uostalom svako koga zanima DT poželeće da čuje i ranije albume barem radi kontinuiteta, tako da ne vidim ništa loše u tome. Ovaj album ima dve Metallica/LP-like pesme i nekolicinu fenomenalnih kombinacija sa Muse-om, Pink Floyd-om itd. Kao takav, nije ni najbolji, ali nije ni najgori. Ono što je očigledno jeste činjenica da im Rush više nije glavni uzor i OK. Ti Djedo mesas pojam NAPREDOVANJE sa ORIGINALNOSCU. Rekao bih da ne. Dream je sve manje progressive bend, napredak se slabo vidi po tom pitanju. E sad, uzmi moj prošli post adresiran na tebe pa prebaci taj sadržaj na ovu tvoju rečenicu. Tebi je Awake klinacki trip? Ne Awake, već Portony-eva preopterećenost tome da se iskaže kroz album da bi u MODERN DRUMMER (verovatno sam i lupio naslov, ali kapiraš poentu) pisali o njemu. No, nebitno, samo mi objasni šta si ovim hteo reći: Nemoj ti da mi pricas o nepostovanju pravila! Ili još bolje, nemoj, jer znam šta ćeš reći pa da ti odmah i odgovorim: Ja, NIKAKVA pravila i aršine ne koristim kada stvaram pesmu. Stvaram pesmu onako da mi se ona dopadne, a ne da bude po pravilima. Ako jeste "by-the-book", zabole me, sve dok mi se ta pesma dopada. Ali ne brini, kada budem napravio neku ultra-sega-mega-prog zajebanijadu, daću ti je na stručno recenziranje, važi? Edited July 4, 2005 by Lordring Quote
Eternal Flame Posted July 5, 2005 Report Posted July 5, 2005 Sto se tice DT i QR albuma, isto vazi i sto se mene tice, tj. sa njima sam zavoleo do smrti oba benda. Ali to nema sad veze sa temom. Svestan sam i ja da oni nikad nece ponoviti najbolje albume koje su do sada snimili (i posle pomenutih), ali ODRASTANJE u smislu DTa, pa i QRa ide u apsolutno pogresnom pravcu. QR jeste druga tema, ali da kazem - taj bend je poklekao i poceo da ubacuje grunge u svoj zvuk onda kad je grunge umro. Prkosili su mu kako treba dok je bio na vrhuncu u Sijetlu, a sad ni na sta ne lice vise. DT zadnji radovi, nakon Metropolis II - jednostavno meni ne odgovaraju. OK je za slusati i sve to, ali nakon toliko rada danas presviravati Metallicu i Maidene, nema smisla zaista. Poz! Ja upravo o tome pričam ako recenziraš nečiji album onda je glupo da praviš paralelu Images - Octavarium ili je još gluplje da se stalno nadaš da će svaki sledeći biti kao album koji je izdat pre 15god. Mada smo videli ovde i gore stvari kroz posledenji album je recenzirana cela karijera ovog benda, nalepljena etiketa i bačena u kantu. Hvala Bogu da postoje novinari koji znaju svoj posao. Hmm DT ide uvek u nepoznatom pravcu, tako da se nikad nezna gde će završiti, evo pogledaj razliku između poslednja dva album. Poslednji Ryche nije ni za komentar... pozdrav Quote
Marko, Mon_a[MOR]e Posted July 5, 2005 Report Posted July 5, 2005 Idi nadji kurvu neku da ti popusi taj tvoj jadni kurac imbecilu jebeni! Koliko si izfrustriran, nepismen, zajedljiv, nenacitan i govnar, toliko ti je mala kita, pa se vracamo upravo na to zasto si sve gore pomenuto! Ti si taj koji pocinje svadju na osnovu napisanih kritika o nekim albumima! Pola stvari si izvrnuo, a disleksija se leci, pa ti pokusaj! Odakle ti pravo da mesas necije sviranje i rad u nekim grupama, kao i da nekoga nazivas retardiranim i iskompleksiranim, malokuri gade?!! Niko nikoga nije spustao ili prozivao, ali si se ti nekako nasao prozvanim?! Pitam se zasto?! Kada bi u zivotu imao sa nekim da popricas verovatno ne bi bio toliko pun govana!! All you motherfuckers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all fucking next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob. Quote
Acid Rain Posted July 5, 2005 Report Posted July 5, 2005 e' date='5. 7. 2005, 16:43'] All you motherfuckers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all fucking next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob. Kralju! Quote
KRANG Posted July 5, 2005 Report Posted July 5, 2005 ova tema je bila čisto đubre, a onda je u jednom trenutku krenula nizbrdo. Quote
Eternal Flame Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 Evo jedne prave recenzije sa progressiveworld, veoma je zanimljiva i profesionalna. Ukoliko imate živaca pročitaj te je i vidite zašto sam na neki način inisistirao na predhodnom sukobu. Ukoliko vam je engleski slab zamolite Boro Prosvjetni Radnik da vam prevede. Reviewed by: John "Bo Bo" Bollenberg, June 2005 By putting their expectations higher and higher, I'm afraid Dream Theater has come to a point where they can't get any higher. Being stuck on a certain high is not something which rhymes with the band Dream Theater, so standing still doesn't look that good. However, if you are an athlete who just won gold after having received silver and bronze awards, what kind of precious metal is left? A platinum medal? As our ears have been spoiled by technical prowess time after time, we have been getting so used to this high level of craftmanship that each time we want more and more. Another point is that Dream Theater always seems to cram their albums full of new music. In this case, no less than 75 minutes' worth, which in the vinyl age would mean a double album. During the vintage prog years, a new double studio album was only reserved for the big shots (Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and Yes' Tales From Topographic Oceans to name but two) and only happened once in their entire career. Dream Theater kind of delivers that kind of material with every single disc! Octavarium is, like its name suggests, the band's eighth studio album including an identical number of songs, and I dare say that this is no doubt James LaBrie's best effort to date. His voice is incredible all over this album and maybe shows the most "progress," whilst we have been getting used to the quality we can expect from the other four guys. Do NOT for one minute think that I'm slagging these guys off here, as for sure they deliver genius and quality throughout. Yet as mentioned before, the level has become something we take for granted. When listening to "The Root Of All Evil," the drumming to my ears sounds not as complex, not as intriguing as what I'm used to from Mike. On the other hand, it sounds like Octavarium has been given a thicker layer of symphonic approach, which doesn't necessarily mean lush bombastic arrangements. Take the intro for "The Answer Lies Within," which only has piano and voice, yet already sounds a hundredfold better than the kind of crap radio stations throw in our faces day after day. This song surely must be pure heaven when performed with a real huge orchestra. Of course Jordan knows which right buttons to press to have this orchestral sound fill the concert halls, but the actual sound of a "real" orchestra can't be reproduced in the same way. Alan Parsons once told me that even the best sampler will never be able to duplicate an orchestra for the simple reason that with a huge orchestra there's always someone slightly out of tune, out of rhythm, someone might cough, feet might make a slight noise, etc… On this album though "The Answer Lies Within" contains the professionalism of a real string quartet, which already gives a clear indication as to where the song can go. With an extra orchestra on board for two more songs, my hopes are high that one day we might see the band on tour with a huge symphonic orchestra. So far two songs have given us the opposite where atmosphere is concerned, yet there're another six waiting! "These Walls" is a powerful track with lots of heavy riffs and a mighty great chorus accompanied by classy melodic guitar. No doubt this one will be a firm favourite during live gigs. The kind of material I adore is the superfast stuff like "Panic Attack," which contains the energy of Korn or Linkin Park, yet is filled with superb changes and gimmicks; in other words, Dream Theater at its best. Right at the very beginning of this track, our beloved bass player John Myung gets to stand a couple of seconds in the spotlight before Portnoy is enabled to be the "animal" all over again. This one has "MTV heavy rotation priority" written all over it. The two standout tracks to me come at the very end of this shiny disc. "Sacrificed Sons" begins in a ballad kind of way, giving free reign to Jordan to add symphonic touches before spinning towards a complete opposite approach with wild over the top musicianship and Jordan bringing his synths in play. Petrucci also experiments with his guitar both from a sound perspective as well as from a technical point. Changing directions and atmospheres within a span of ten minutes is what Dream Theater is all about. However the absolute highlight of this disc, the pièce de résistance, the icing on the cake, the cherry on top, has to be the title track. I call it Dream Theater's very own "Close To The Edge," which pretty much sums up what to expect. However, this track is not a Yes clone as it contains a myriad of influences. First up is a lengthy "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" type of introduction followed by pedal steel guitar in true Steve Howe mould. If you thought [that] it's good old John Petrucci playing the pedal steel, then you're wrong, as it's played by Jordan. Next up is a very melodic, symphonic piece on flute which slightly reminds me of Tijs Van Leer meets Quidam. Acoustic guitar and piano open the path for James LaBrie to enter. It really gets wild when Rudess does his Wakeman impersonation delivering those wonderful vintage Moog sounds before settling for the organ. Petrucci tries to fly quicker than Korsakov's "Bumble Bee," like trying to find his way in heavy traffic followed hot on the heels by an army of police cars. The very end of this standout track is pure symphonic delight as the orchestra puts a huge exclamation mark behind this outstanding work, which even flirts with authentic Kansas material. The album Octavarium was heralded by the band as being their "back to our roots" album. DT fans immediately thought the band would be going back to their Images And Words period, as for most of them that's where their roots lie. However, it's not the roots within DT we're after, yet the musical roots our five individuals have. In other words, they have all been harking into their past, summed up their influences. If you take this in account and you're open for their views on the matter, then for sure this is one hell of an album. If you were waiting for a second Train Of Thought then I'm afraid the new album is a completely different train; maybe more of a steamtrain, but a very luxurious one. And those who are waiting for another Images And Words … please grow up! Quote
Vlaja Buraz Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 pročitaj te je predhodnom Joj joj. Vratili smo se na početak. Quote
Eternal Flame Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 Joj joj. Vratili smo se na početak. Samo zbog tebe boro da ne ostaneš bez posla ovde. Quote
Vlaja Buraz Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 Pazi ovako, dostavi mi ovjerenu foto-kopiju tvoje vojne knjizice, i ja cu ti prevesti sve negativne recenzije koje nadjes. www.progressiveworld.com Kakav si ti manowarac. Quote
Eternal Flame Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 Pazi ovako, dostavi mi ovjerenu foto-kopiju tvoje vojne knjizice, i ja cu ti prevesti sve negativne recenzije koje nadjes. hoćeš indeks,diplomu,zdrastvenu,pasoš,ličnu. Ovako ako imaš samo vojnu nećeš imati dovoljan materijala za autobiografiju. Tvoja recenzija ovog puta nije imala toliki odziv hajde možeš ti i bolje. Quote
Vlaja Buraz Posted July 7, 2005 Report Posted July 7, 2005 hoćeš indeks,diplomu,zdrastvenu,pasoš,ličnu. Ovako ako imaš samo vojnu nećeš imati dovoljan materijala za autobiografiju. Tvoja recenzija ovog puta nije imala toliki odziv hajde možeš ti i bolje. Samo vojna meni treba Zorane. Quote
Lordring Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 "...The kind of material I adore is the superfast stuff like "Panic Attack," which contains the energy of Korn or Linkin Park..." WTF? Quote
Eternal Flame Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 "...The kind of material I adore is the superfast stuff like "Panic Attack," which contains the energy of Korn or Linkin Park..." WTF? Ma misli na jačinu,energičnost ne na svirku. Mislim poređenje mu je do moga ali hajde u najvećem delu recenzije je bio tačan. Po meni ovaj DT bi bio bolji bez LaBrie samo svirka, nekako mi kvari sve. Quote
Lordring Posted July 8, 2005 Report Posted July 8, 2005 Ma da, OK mu je recenzija, ali posle ovoga sam siguran da je iz USA. Meni je LaBrie OK, ali daj... KORN = energičnost (pogotovu ona na koju on cilja)?!? Na kom svetu? Da je rekao Metallica ili tako nešto, pa ajd da prevrenem očima Što će reći da Symphony X ima energičnost dva Korna/LP Quote
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