Venom

[Гера]

venom je keva! ovaj resurrection je extra album! ne mogu da prestanem da ga slusam! profi, majke mi! kakvi riffovi! extra!

[Lady in Black]

Venom...

 

[Novaliis]

Ressurection razbija!

A i stare pesme su strava..At War With Satan..oooooooo!

[Jellybelly]

Sto se tice diskusije ko je prvi: Venom ili Bathory, odgovor je Bathory.

 

Goxy je u pravu, prvi album Bathoryja nema muzicki previse veze sa blackom. Ali je ipak blizi blacku od Welcome To Hell. Ako nista drugo, zbog Quorthonovog vokala. Svaka dilema medjutim prestaje 1985. kada je izasao The Return. Bathory je postao pravi black band, sa mracnim riffovima i atmosferom. A Venom to nikada nije bio. Mene muzika Venoma donekle podseca na ubrzani Motorhead. Ima tu puno klasicne hevare i thrasha. Jedno sta je tu blackersko su tekstovi, ali po toj logici i Slayerov Altar Of Sacrifice je black pesma.

[Novaliis]

Negde sam procitao kako i prve albume Slayera svrstavaju u black..

 

[Misantrophil]

Pa pazi meni je prvi album Slayera vise Black metal nego Venom

[Novaliis]

Pa pazi meni je prvi album Slayera vise Black metal nego Venom

Da,ima tu atmosferu..

[Гера]

da, slayer verovatno zbog black magic-a! oni gde vide black u nazivu, to je odma' black metal!

[Novaliis]

da, slayer verovatno zbog black magic-a! oni gde vide black u nazivu, to je odma' black metal!

Nije to bas tako prosto

Vidim tema Venom i na thrashu..ccc.

Oni sviraju Metal,u tome se svi slazemo,kakve veze ima koji je zanr?

[Џрк]

Oni sviraju Metal,u tome se svi slazemo,kakve veze ima koji je zanr?

naravno,ali ipak su thrash

 

nego,kazem ja,ressurection keva,cak to :ressurection: izgovara kao neki rus

 

,ali nevolja je sto svaka pesma na tom albumu lici jedna na drugu,osim izuzetaka.zato bih preporucio da se slusa odvojeno,recimo jedan dan par pesama,neki drugi dan ostalo.a i tako vam duze traje,sto bi se reklo "za sve pare"

Edited October 29, 2005 by Heavy jerk

[Novaliis]

Najbolja je ona sa melodicnm refrenom-Leviathan.

[Џрк]

Najbolja je ona sa melodicnm refrenom-Leviathan.

war against christ isto...ma sve su...ali to i kazem,sve lice jedna na drugu...to je mana

[Novaliis]

Da,lice dosta..a vokal je bas originalan..neko je spomenuo ono rusko RRRR..

Cekaj,jel im to poslednji album..i zadnji?!

[+MIDIAN+]

u venom........

LEGENDE........

[Novaliis]

u venom........

LEGENDE........

[+MIDIAN+]

WELCOME TO HELL

[Novaliis]

WELCOME TO HELL

 

Bas je bio na metropolisu neki live snimak..kakve legende!!

Na kraju su polupali sve instrumente..

[+MIDIAN+]

 

Bas je bio na metropolisu neki live snimak..kakve legende!!

Na kraju su polupali sve instrumente..

pa zna se

VENOM VENOM VENOM

[Lucio Holocausto]

+MIDIAN+, I love You!...

[lemmy sixx]

war against christ isto...ma sve su...ali to i kazem,sve lice jedna na drugu...to je mana

Ressurection je strava album...War Against Christ,Loaded...sve pesme su do jaja.Pravi,razbijacki thrash metal.Do dan danas mi nije jasno zbog cega Venom toliko trpaju u black metal.Eto,imali su pesmu "Black metal",koja je usput cista thrash metal stvar.Veze sa black metalom nemaju.

[Lucio Holocausto]

Venom su oduvek bili Thrash... Čak i oni sami to kažu...

 

Ali svi ih trpaju u Black metal jer su oni začeli Black koren...

 

Inače Black Metal je čist thrash album...

[lemmy sixx]

Po cemu su oni zacetnici black metala?Po muzici nisu nikako.Po image-u takodjer.Po textovima eventualno,ali po tome bi svaki treci thrash metal bend (plus gomila heavy bendova) trebao biti zacetnik black metala.Oni su zacetnici thrash metala,sa blackom veze nikakve nemaju.Eto izmislili su termin...

[Narsil]

oni u isti kao hammerfall , nisu power nego heavy iliti thrash nego black!!!

Lepo je odgovorio kad su ga pitali sta svirate covek je rekao black metal....e sad to sto su oni thrash , ne moze se meriti ko kada su osnovali black metal jer je to tada bilo ko danas dimmu ili mayhem , ili satyricon......tako da .....black!!!!!!!

[Lucio Holocausto]

"Venom, the true gods of Black Metal started this whole thing. So to me, it is a music that you can take to an unholy extreme. Songs about Satanism, The Occult, Myths, Blasphemy, and Hell, takes the listener on a journey to the Dark side. Satan always is the center of attention in Black Metal. And band members always have a dark aesthetic. But the main thing is Black Metal has to be the most demonic music ever!"

 

The HISTORY of BLACK metal

 

 

This compilation is more than just a collection of bands chanting dark and occultist themes. It is a historic account of the development of Occult/ Black metal in Britain and ultimately the world.

Whilst it must be said Venom invented the term 'Black Metal' the realisation of Black Metal as a genre incarnate can be credited to the well-documented Norwegian scene that exploded in the early nineties and has since dominated the very soul of the music with exceptions being the formidable Cradle of Filth. But where do you trace the roots of Black Metal?

 

Music is foremost a medium of pleasure. A spiritual conductor between the mind and the heavens. It can stir the heart for war, calm the unruly and serve as a stimulant or sedative for every complex human emotion. Originally tribal and evolving into numerous sounds made possible by an equal number of instruments. To the modern perception the roots of Occult/ Dark music can be found as mere background music for ancient magical rites or elaborate incantations practised well beyond the sight of outsiders. These roots would inevitably lead to pagan origins.

The very origins of music rest with Rhythm. The first exhalations of pleasure, tribal dances or war chants formed the first echoes of human musical evolution.

The natural sequence of this was to emphasise the beat. By beating with sticks on a hollow tree trunk man had his first taste of music. 'Beat' music is therefore the most primitive of all. No doubt some half naked Neanderthal 70,000 years ago gazed at the thunderous night beating on a hollow trunk seeking favour with the murderous night.

 

The plucking of a string to produce a note soon followed and by the time of the Ancient Egyptians and Greeks there was a vast array of instruments like the Lute, Flute, Pipes, Harp, Oboe and Lyre.

The life long emphasis to which the Egyptians placed in death would certainly have created a sombre musical shroud for the sacred rites performed by the temple priests.

Music was very much apart of every day life as it is today. Feasts, Festivals and Funerals would be every different without some form of musical background.

Leaping across time we owe much to the Church during the advances made during the middle ages and modern music owes a vast dept to Bach and the other great composers. With the 20th century music has reached the masses via the invention of radio and television. But during the brief history explained here, what of the Occult in music?

 

Mysterious Sabbats and Voodoo hysteria designed to channel mans spiritual growth with the gods has long been a part of mans passion to touch the dark side of his existence. With the advent of Christianity the appearance of the Devil incarnate has given those seekers of dark mystery a more tangible platform in which to vent their lusts for depravity and unquenchable thirst for supposedly forbidden knowledge.

The Satanic element in music has always been a sanctuary for non-conformists and their like to step out of the conventional boundaries of society and indulge in much of the taboo activities shunned by the religious restraints of day to day existence.

During the middle ages the primitive urges of the people were severely suppressed by the fanatical dominance of the Church and if one were to choose between the sombre hymns of the pews to the drunken frivolity of the folk based tales of superstition and Magic, one can at once understand the vehemence the later received from ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

The promulgation of religious persecution during the 15th and 17th centuries created a stark picture of witch-hunts, Devil worshipping and torture, all of which has given boundless inspiration for the modern occult/ Black metal band.

The irony of the Christian Church inflicting such wanton brutality in its own fervour to purge the sexual improprieties and so called heretical views of men has also added to the delusion of its own credibility. To think of the suffering Christians have received from other establishments, the anti-Semitic policies deployed by certain factions and countless episodes of in house cruelty [most notably by the inquisition] and the subsequent fragmentation of the Roman Church into self governed Christian denominations, all of which has given the cause of God a very bad smell of hypocrisy and self righteousness.

 

I am trying to convey the importance of Christian/ Jewish dogma without which there would be no Occult/ Black Metal. Add to this the mass of written material penned over the last two thousand years and the seeds of Occult music are well and truly sown. Biblical works, Apocalyptic literature, the great works of Milton and Blake. The documents of mystics and self styled Satanists like Lavey and Crowley. The very source of which is derived from the birth of God in man.

It is our mistrust and cynicism of Christianity that stokes the fires of the music now termed Black Metal. The anti-Semitic undercurrents being a more recent addition to the genre as a whole.

 

To look back at the History of Occult/ Black metal in the UK we must look to the origins of modern music outside that of classical or cultural themes. Jazz was considered an unwholesome form of music in its early stages and the point to be raised here is that Occult/ Black Metal is no less a form of underground music alienated from the masses than any other.

Early Rock music again, like all juvenile activities is a hotbed of teenage angst, adolescent high jinks and anti-social behaviour. The fact that all this youthful exuberance is vented through music doesn't mean it wouldn't permeate elsewhere. If it wasn't music, the unpredictable clashing hormones would compel the youth of any given generation to act out their fantasies through self motivated violence, criminal misdemeanours and other unsavoury means.

There will always be a few unbalanced kids among the outcasts of society who will commit the crimes that condemn a generation.The suicides associated to music are no different to the suicides occurring elsewhere, yet there will always be some one to blame the music.

The rise of the Norwegian Black Metal scene in the early nineties was driven by violence and juvenile boredom.

The point is underground music is the place where individuals who are maybe not what society would deem normal congregate. It is a place where they can feel accepted and as such are the music's soul. Without the audience there would be no music.

 

he birth of Blues and its Voodoo heritage in so much as the creed who created the sound were of African descent gave rise to an even greater bond with the devil. With culture and music running in synch. Songs crawled across smoke filled bars and never was the devil more at home.

With Rock music came the drugs and the sixties became an era of change like no other. With drugs and hallucigenic substances came the Beatles and the Rolling Stones [ most noted for the 1967 album 'Their Satanic Majesties Pleasure' and the song 'Sympathy for the Devil']. Both dabbling with Satanic themes but none over indulging.

Within the confines of the church, sex was a sin outside marriage and blasphemy an intolerable issue of abhorrence.

Both sex and blasphemy were to become a very integral part of Rock music much to the annoyance of the Church. The very image of Rock even when expressed through songs of peace was a prime target for religious groups.

The founding of the Church of Satan in 1966 by Anton Lavey added much fuel to the Occult influences in music in much the same way that Aleister Crowley had during the 1930' and 40's.

Led Zeppelin also manoeuvred across Satanic themes most memorable being a record release party under the mock theatrics of a black mass.

The birth of Heavy Metal has always been a point of debate. I would suggest Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple planted the seed to which Black Sabbath became the first flower.

There were other British bands who touched the surface of the occult during the late sixties. The psychedelic movement and its LSD culture spawned some British acts who indulged in the dark side. Saturnalia released their 'Magical Love' album in '69 as did Icarus.

The late sixties also produced the progressive rock movement with bands like Writing on the Wall, a Scottish progressive/ folk band who penned a track titled 'Lucifer Corpus'. Apart from Black Sabbath, Atomic Rooster and Black Widow there were other progressive/ hard rock bands who bathed in occult lyrics.

Horse and The Ghost released albums in 1970 soon followed by Monument in '71, Zior in '72 and Necromandus in '73. Judas Priest were anything but a Satanic band, but their name for obvious reasons and the music they played made them prime targets for the establishment.

In 1985, two drunken men from Nevada made a suicide pact, with one meeting his death. The survivors family claimed subliminal messages found on a Judas Priest album were to blame. Sense prevailed and it was thrown out of court. Ozzy Osbourne was to later face similar charges without prosecution.

 

here were other bands outside the UK who used Satanic imagery during the Seventies. Coven, AC/DC, Kiss and WASP all employed use of dark imagery and occult lyrics.

Nearing the end of the Seventies the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal was born with many of the bands embracing a Satanic theme. Iron Maiden and Angelwitch were heavily influenced by the occult.

At the start of the eighties the N.W.O.B.H.M. was well and truly firing on all cylinders. Other bands appeared under the banner of the dark lord. Witchfynde, Pagan Altar, Hell, Incubus, Traitors Gate, Satan, Cloven Hoof and Witchfinder General fleeted with the Satanic theme but not since Black Widow had a band completely immersed itself in all things Satanic. We are of course talking about Venom. Here was a band who started a new age of Metal along with American acts Slayer and Metallica. Thrash was born and a new extreme sound which was more fitting to the chaos that Satan by necessity promotes.

By the mid-eighties there were many European bands chanting sacrilegious blasphemies and paying homage to the horned one. Merciful Fate, Bathory, Sodom, Bulldozer, Destruction and Celtic Frost, all toyed with occult imagery and began to form a more cohesive underground core movement.

The UK was not a prolific Thrash metal machine during the thrash era and even less affixed to an occult theme. Bands who gained some success were Onslaught, Deliverance and Sabbat with lesser demo bands like Warhammer, Antichrist, Lucifer, Azagthoth, Widow, Satan's Empire, Destroyer and Deathchamber disappearing without trace.

 

he age of Thrash made brazen use of Devilry and Witchcraft and this was to transmute into the rise of Death Metal and a stark use of body parts and Zombies in the late eighties. Thrash burned itself out and as Black Metal was in no complete form to compete as a genre, the enigma slithered into hibernation. It was a case of musical extremity expanding into a more violent sound that took with it the Satanic imagery but not the musical style made popular by the previous thrash era.

Satanic themes in this new age of Death were best employed by Morbid Angel, Deicide and Incantation. The late eighties became a confusing metal scene of post thrash debris, giving birth to the Doom genre as well as the Death genre. Swedish Death was also taking form with Entombed and Dismember leading the way.

In 1991 a band called Dark Throne from Norway had released a Death album called 'Soulside Journey'. The following year they were part of a Black Metal revolution sparked by mass media attention aimed at the well documented murder of Mayhem guitarist Euronymous and the subsequent imprisonment of Burzum creator Varg Vikernes. Church burning and desecration also fuelled the growth of a very real phenomenon. A whole new swarm of Black Metal bands emerged on this great dark tidal wave of publicity. Emperor, Marduk, Ancient, Samael, Immortal, Satyricon and Ulver to name a few.

Black Metal as a bona fide genre had at last been born.

 

To survive like it has, Black Metal has fragmented into may sub-cultures. There are the Dark Ambient bands, Abruptum and Mortiis, or the experimental art of Ulver, Arcturus and In The Woods.

The pagan bands who musically are more than often inseparable, but lyrically two different entities. Norway's Enslaved and the UK's Bal Sagoth being prime examples. The very roots to this style reach back to Bathory.

The Norwegian and Swedish Black Metal styles also vary in tone with a more primitive mood being preferred by the former [Dark Throne, Satyricon] and a far precise aural virulence by the later [Marduk, Dark Funeral].

Most popular of all are the symphonic bands who utilise the use of keyboards and classical orchestration to maximum effect. Emperor, Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir being the worlds finest exponents of this popular style.

 

ut what of the British? 1994 saw the release of Cradle of Filth's 'Principle of Evil Made Flesh' and not much else. There was the pagan inspired Bal Sagoth and of lesser note Hecate Enthroned and Thus Defiled.

The demo bands, Meggido, Dead Christ, Imanis, Dark Divide, Sinister Mist, Witchclan, Xaztor, Mesphisto, Salem Orchid and The Fallen who were all to vanish without trace.

The meteoric rise of the Norwegians over shadowed other British acts who appeared in the mid-later part of the nineties. Adorior, Ewigkiet, Phantasia, Hoarfrost, Nargothrond, December Moon, Ewigkiet, Ragnarok, Forefather, and Dark Divide.

 

The new millennium has given rise to a new breed of British Black Metal. The death inspired Akercocke and medieval Meads of Asphodel. Riegn of Erebus, Solace Denied, Heathen Deity, Acolytes Ruin and ever changing style of Ewigkiet, all carry on a tradition that reaches back to the late sixties. British Occult/ Black Metal is far from dead. In fact it is only just beginning.

 

[Narsil]

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