Axeanosilas Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 ima li srpski.... То друго је нека редигована верзија, без "ружних" речи... Ако мислиш на књижевни српски, не, нисам нашао, макар не на Нету, а сумњам да има и у папирном издању. Него, ја сам мислио на стих... 29 Tucite: one koji ne vjeruju u Boga i u Dan posljednji; one koji ne drže nedopuštenim ono što su Bog i njegov Prorok proglasili nedopuštenim; one koji, među ljudima Knjige, ne primijenjuju istinsku Vjeroispovijed. Tucite ih sve dok ne plate namet nakon što se bijahu ponizili. Нађи ми превод овог стиха, али са сајта са ког си скинуо ту другу верзију (а стави и са првог)... баш ме интересује шта кажу за "туците"
Теша Тешановић Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they! Sve perverznjaci..... mislim da rec perverzan se ovde koristi u drugacijem kontekstu od seksualnog
imaginos Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Iskustvo me poucilo da ne tupim, znaci nikakvo prepricavanje nego knjige u sake. Svete knjige. Ima recimo u Kuranu i puno, jako puno mesta gde velicaju Jevreje i Hriscane. Kao i Biblija, pomalo je (pomalo vise obzirom da je poslednja nastala u tom trijumviratu) kontradiktorna knjiga. Inace, velica mahom Jevreje i Hriscane. Onaj ko je procitao zna ko su 'People of The Book'. Kuran, sura 57 (u zagrdama su prevodi nekih imena na srpski, na primer ibrahim=abraham) 26. Mi smo Nuha (Noea) i Ibrahima (Abrahama) poslali i nekima od potomaka njihovih vjerovjesništvo i objavu dali; neki od potomaka njihovih su na pravom putu, a mnogi od njih su nevjernici. 27. Zatim smo, poslije njih, jednnog za drugim naše posalnike slali, dok nismo Isaa (Isusa), sina Merjemina (Marijinog), posali, kojem smo Indžil (Jevandjelje) dali, a u srca sljedbenika njegovih smo blagost i samilost ulili, dok su monaštvo oni sami, kao novotariju, uveli – Mi im ga nismo propisali – u želji da steknu Allahovo zadovoljstvo; ali, oni o njemu ne vode brigu onako kako bi trebalo, pa ćemo one među njima koji budu ispravno vjerovali nagraditi, a mnogi od njih su navjernici. 28. O vi koji vjerujete, - Allaha se bojte i u Poslanika Njegova vjerujte, On će vam dvostruku milost Svoju darovati, i daće vam svjetlo pomoću kog ćete ići, i oprostiće vam – jer Allah prašta, i samilostan je – 29. i neka sljedbenici Knjige znaju da oni nikakvu Allahovu blagodat neće dobiti, jer je blagodat samo u Allahovoj ruci – daje je onime kome On hoće; a u Allaha je blagodat najveća. na osnovu 29 zakljucujem da cak ni sledbenicima kurana nije a priori obecana alahova milost, dakle nije dovoljno "slediti" kuran da bi se bilo u bozjoj milosti. onaj ko je pisao kuran, tacno je znao da se isti moze zloupotrebiti, i ovo pod 29 mi delujue kao upozorenje i pokusaj da se na tako nesto ukaze. naravno, ceo tekst i kompletan kuran je jako podlozan interpretacijama.
metalheart Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 ima li srpski.... Imam ja prevod Kurana na srpski jezik i to u papirnom izdanju, pa ako nekog interesuje neka sura, stih ili sta vec...procitacu...
Axeanosilas Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) mislim da rec perverzan se ovde koristi u drugacijem kontekstu od seksualnog Немој ми рећи да кад чујеш реч "перверзан" прво помислиш на секс? Imam ja prevod Kurana na srpski jezik i to u papirnom izdanju, pa ako nekog interesuje neka sura, stih ili sta vec...procitacu... Баш прави српски? Мислим, преведен од стране Србина православне вероисповести (или муслимана које је у скорије време конвертован, дакле, да преводилац није неко ко би се могао назвати "Бошњаком")? Без ових глупости типа Абрахам (у евентуалном преводу за Ибрахим) јербо се на српском каже Аврам? Екавица? Хоћу ја да напишеш шта се каже у деветом поглављу (Сури), стих 29-33. Хвала. Edited July 16, 2008 by Axeanosilas
metalheart Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Kuran je iz Beogradske dzamije, a preveo ga je Besim Korkut. SURA IX 29. Borite se protiv onih kojima je data knjiga, a koji ne veruju ni u Allaha ni u onaj svijet, ne smatraju zabranjenim ono sto Allah i Njegov Poslanik zabranjuju i ne ispovijedaju istinsku vjeru - sve dok ne daju glavarinu poslusno i smjerno. 30. Jevreji govore: "Uzejr(Ezra) je- Allahov sin", a krscani kazu: "Mesih(Mesija, Isus) je Allahov sin". To su rijeci nevjernika prijasnjih- Ubio ih Allah! Kuda se odmecu? 31. Oni, pored Allaha, bogovima smatraju svecenike svoje i monahe svoje i Mesiha, sina Merjemina(Marija), a neredjeno im je da se samo jednom bogu klanjaju- nema boga osim Njega. On je vrlo visoko iznad onih koje oni Njemu ravnim smatraju. 32. Oni zele da ustima svojim utrnu Allahovo svjetlo, a Allah zeli da vidljivim ucini svjetlo Svoje, makar ne bilo po volji nevjernicima. 33. On je poslao Poslanika Svoga s uputstvom i pravom vjerom da bi je uzdigao iznad svih vjera, makar ne bilo po volji mnogoboscima. Postoje napomena vezana za 30 stih: Uzejr je Ezra, Musaov (Mojsijev) pisar i nasljednik kojeg je jedna jevrejska sekta smatrala Bozjim sinom, kao sto krscani smatraju Isaa (Isus), sina Merjemina, Bozjim sinom. Ne znam da li sam pomogla...
Axeanosilas Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Свакако. Хвала. Фин је тај превод, можда га и набавим, смор ми је да читам толико штиво са монитора. Интересовао ме је тај 29. стих, јер у ономе што ја читам се каже - туците. Овде је мирољубивије и каже се - борите. Сад нађох и ПДФ верзију тог превода, која ми је боља јер је језик скоро исти као и језик који је користио Вук током превода Новог завета (а и нова верзија није много одступила од Вукове). Стога, хвала још једном, овај пут за име аутора.
oʞɾoƃ Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Koja je najbolja štampana verzija Kurana (u smislu prevoda na srpski) i gde se može nabaviti?
metalheart Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Verujem da je verzija koju ja imam najbolja (ne zato sto je moja!), jer sam ga dobila od sina Jusufa Spahica. Mislim da ces je tesko nabaviti, jer nemaju obicaj da dele...a inace imaju mali broj primeraka. Cak mislim da te nece ni pustiti da udjes u dzamiju...bar nekima to nije poslo za rukom...ne znam sta da ti kazem...
oʞɾoƃ Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Pa kakva je to religija ako ja ne mogu ni da dođem do primerka njihove svete knjige? Edited July 16, 2008 by Gojko
Dersu Uzala Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 chak ni par citata? Dobro, bice par citata. Kazem, bitno je celu knjigu procitati da bi se shvatio kontekst. I ima kontradikcija, ima ih u svakoj svetoj knjizi.Ima i ljudi, o Mojsije, koji se ne pridrzavaju Kurana i Hadita. Sto, nema Hriscana koji se ne pridrzavaju Biblije? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the first place, we would like to stress that Muslims should have good relations with all people of every religion. At school, at work, in the neighborhood, et cetera, a Muslim should be kind and courteous to everyone. Islam teaches its adherents to interact with all people and cooperate for the good and betterment of the whole mankind. Islam encourages Muslims to cooperate with everyone regardless of his/her religion or creed in all projects that are virtuous or beneficial to humanity or other creatures of God. In this context, the eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Al-Qaradawi states in his well-known book 'The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam': First of all, we would like to stress that Islam does not prohibit Muslims from being kind and generous to peoples of other religions, even if they are idolaters and polytheists. However, Islam looks upon the People of the Book, that is, Jews and Christians, with special regard, whether they reside in a Muslim society or outside it. The Qur'an never addresses the Jews and Christians without saying, "O People of the Book" or "O You who have been given the Book," indicating that they were originally people of a revealed religion. For this reason, there exists a relationship of mercy and spiritual kinship between them and the Muslims, all having in common the principles of the one true religion sent by Allah through His Prophets (peace and blessings are upon them all): He says, (He has ordained for (the Muslims) the same religion which He enjoined on Noah, and that which We have revealed to thee (Muhammad) and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: that you should establish the faith and make no division in it....) (Ash-Shura 42: 13) Muslims are required to believe in all the Books revealed by Allah and in all the Prophets sent by Him, otherwise they are not considered true believers. Allah says in the Qur'an: (Say: We (Muslims) believe in Allah and in what He has revealed to us, and in what He revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes (of Israel), and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to (all) the prophets by their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 136) Consequently, if the People of the Book read the Qur'an, they will find in it praise for their Books, Messengers, and Prophets. In having dialogue with the People of the Book, Muslims should avoid such approaches that may cause bitterness or arouse hostility; Allah says, (And do not dispute with the People of the Book except by (the way) which is best, unless it be with such of them as transgress, and say, 'We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, and our God and your God is one, and to Him do we submit.') (Al-`Ankabut 29: 46) We have already seen how Islam permits eating with the People of the Book, sharing the meat they slaughter, and marrying their women, marriage being a relationship of mutual love and mercy. Almighty Allah says: (...The food of those who were given the Scripture (before you) is permitted to you and your food is permitted to them. And (lawful to you in marriage are) chaste women from among the Believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you....) (Al-Ma'idah 5: 5) Non-Muslim Citizens of a Muslim State: The above injunctions include all People of the Book wherever they may be. However, those people who live under the protection of an Islamic government enjoy special privileges. They are referred to as "the Protected People" ( AhlAdh-Dhimmah or Dhimmis), meaning that Allah, His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), and the community of Muslims have made a covenant with them that they may live in safety and security under the Islamic government. In modern terminology, Dhimmis are "citizens" of the Muslim state. From the earliest period of Islam to the present day, Muslims are in unanimous agreement that Dhimmis enjoy the same rights and carry the same responsibilities as Muslims themselves, while being free to practice their own faiths. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) emphasized the duties of Muslims toward Dhimmis, threatening anyone who violates them with the wrath and punishment of Allah. The Prophet is reported to have said: "He who hurts a Dhimmi hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys Allah." (Reported by At-Tabarani in Al-Awsat with good chain of narrators.) He also says, "Whoever hurts a Dhimmi, I (prorok Muhamed) am his adversary, and I shall be an adversary to him on the Day of Resurrection." (Reported by Al-Khatib with authentic chain of narrations.) "On the Day of Judgment I (prorok Muhamed) will dispute with anyone who oppresses a person from among the People of the Covenant, or infringes upon his right, or puts a responsibility on him which is beyond his strength, or takes something from him against his will." (Reported by Abu Dawud) The successors of the Prophet safeguarded these rights and sanctities of non-Muslim citizens, and the jurists of Islam, in spite of the variation of their opinions regarding many other matters, are unanimous in emphasizing these rights and sanctities. The Maliki jurist, Shahab Ad-Deen Al-Qarafi states: The covenant of protection imposes upon us certain obligations toward Ahl Adh-Dhimmah. They are our neighbors, under our shelter and protection upon the guarantee of Allah, His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and the religion of Islam. Whoever violates these obligations against anyone of them, by damaging his reputation, or by doing him some injury, has breached the Covenant of Allah, His Messenger, and his conduct run counters to the teachings of Islam. (Al-Furuq, by Al-Qarafi.) And the Zahiri jurist, Ibn Hazm, says: If a Dhimmi is threatened by an enemy, it is our obligation to fight the enemy with soldiers and weapons. With this, we will be honoring the Covenant of Allah and His Messenger. To hand him over to the enemy would mean to betrayal to the Covenant of Allah and His Messenger. (MaratibAl-Ijma', by Ibn Hazm) Concept of Amicable Dealings with Non-Muslims: Now the question arises: How can we show kindness, affection, and good treatment to non-Muslims since Allah the Almighty prohibits Muslims to take non-believers as patrons, allies, and supporters in such verses as the following: (O you who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as friends; they are the friends (only) of each other. And whoever among you turns to them (for friendship) is certainly one of them; indeed, Allah does not guide the people who do wrong. Yet thou seest those in whose hearts is a disease racing toward them...) (Al-Ma'idah 5: 54-55) The answer to this is that these verses are not unconditional, to be applied to every Jew, Christian, or non-Muslim. Interpreting them in this manner contradicts the injunctions of the Qur'an which enjoin affection and kindness to the good and peace-loving peoples of every religion, as well as the verses which permit marriage to the women of the People of the Book, with all that Allah says concerning marriage- (…and He has put love and mercy between you…) (Ar-Rum 30: 21) —and the verse concerning the Christians: (...And thou wilt find those who say, 'Surely we are Christians.' to be nearest to them (the Muslims) in affection....) (Al-Ma'idah 5: 85) The verses that imply breaking ties with People of Book refer to those people who were hostile to Islam and waged war against Muslims. Accordingly, it is not permissible for Muslims to support or assist them—that is, to be their ally—nor to entrust them with secrets at the expense of Islam or Muslim community. This point is explained in other verses, in which Allah Almighty says: (They will spare nothing to ruin you; they yearn for what makes you suffer. Hatred has been expressed by their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is still greater. Thus have We made clear to you the revelations (or signs), if you possess understanding. Ah! You love them, but they do not love you....) (Aal `Imran 3: 118-119) This verse sheds light on the character of such people, who conceal great enmity and hatred against the Muslims in their hearts and whose tongues express some of the effects of such hostility. Almighty Allah also says: (Thou wilt not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they may be their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kin...) (Al-Mujadilah 58: 22) He Almighty also says: (O you who believe, do not take My enemy and your enemy as friends, offering them affection, even though they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord...) (Al-Mumtahinah 60:1) This verse was revealed in connection with the pagans of Makkah, who declared war against Allah and His Messenger driving the Muslims out of their homes simply because they said, "Our Lord is Allah." With this type of people, friendship and alliance cannot be permitted. Yet in spite of this, the Qur'an did not dismiss the hope that one day there might be a reconciliation; it did not declare utter disappointment in them but encouraged the Muslims to kindle the hope of better understanding and improved relationships, for in the same surah Allah says: (It may be that Allah will bring about affection between you and those who are your enemies from among them. And Allah is All-Powerful, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.) (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 7) This Qur'anic statement gives the assurance that this bitter hostility and deep hatred is something that may pass way, as it is also stated in the hadith, "Hate your enemy mildly; he may become your friend one day." (Reported by al-Tirmidhi) The injunction against befriending enemies of Islam is even more emphatic when they have upper hand over Muslims, crushing hopes and generating fear in the minds of people. In such a situation, only hypocrites and those who are sick at hearts hasten to befriend them, giving them help today in order to benefit from them tomorrow. Almighty Allah describes this situation as follows: (Yet thou seest those in whose hearts is a disease racing toward them (the enemies of Islam), saying, 'We are afraid that a change of fortune may befall us.' But it may be that Allah will give (thee) the victory or some decision from Himself, and then they will become regretful for what they thought secretly within themselves.) (Al-Ma'idah 5: 52) Allah also says: (Give to the hypocrites the tidings that they will have a grievous punishment. Do those who take the unbelievers as friends instead of the Believers seek honor among them? For indeed all honor belongs to Allah alone.) (An-Nisa' 4: 138-139) In the light of the above-mentioned facts, it’s clear that there are certain rules and criteria that govern relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims, and this should be borne in mind when dealing with non-Muslims. Islam does not order Muslims to show hostility to the followers of other religions, merely for the reason that they happen to be non-Muslims. No. This is not the message of Islam. Only those who harbor hatred and contempt against Muslims are the ones addressed by the verses warning Muslims from taking them as allies. Other than those, Muslims are ordered to deal with all human beings, without discrimination as to race, religion or sex, with love and kindness, for they are all members of the same family of mankind. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Islam, the "People of the Book" (Arabic أهل الكتاب, Ahl al- Kitâ, also "Followers of the Holy Books", are non-Muslim peoples who, according to the Qur'an, received scriptures which were revealed to them by God before the time of Muhammad (especially Christians and Jews). In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. However, because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham as the one and only god, as the Muslims do, and they practice revealed faiths based on Divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law). The generally accepted interpretation is that the pre-Islamic revealed texts are the Tawrat, Zabur and the Injil. They are roughly equivalent to the Jewish Torah, the Book of Psalms, and the Four Christian Gospels, respectively. A dhimmi is a person who is protected under Islamic law by a pact contracted between non-Muslims and authorities from their Muslim government: this status was originally only made available to non-Muslims who were People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), but was later extended to include Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Mandeans, Hindus and Buddhists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Muslims are not allowed to force the Qur’an on Christians or others. This is clear in the Qur’an in words that mean: *{There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error…}* (Al-Baqarah 2:256) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AL-KAFIROON (THE DISBELIEVERS, ATHEISTS), tri razlicita izvora Total Verses: 6 Revealed At: MAKKA Maududi's introduction In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. YUSUFALI: 109.001 Say : O ye that reject Faith! 109.002 I worship not that which ye worship, 109.003 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109.004 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109.006 To you be your Way, and to me mine. PICKTHAL: 109.001 Say: O disbelievers! 109.002 I worship not that which ye worship; 109.003 Nor worship ye that which I worship. 109.004 And I shall not worship that which ye worship. 109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109.006 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. SHAKIR: 109.001 Say: O unbelievers! 109.002 I do not serve that which you serve, 109.003 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve: 109.004 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve, 109.005 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve: 109.006 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Islam teaches us to try to live in peaceful coexistence with those of other faiths. Muslims are not to attack others unless they are attacked first. The Qur’an says what means: *{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:190) The Qur’an also reads what means: *{Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.}* (Al-Mumtahana 60:8) Muslims are ordered to invite others to Islam in this way stated in the Qur’an. The Qur’an reads what means: *{Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.}* (An-Nahl 16:125) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- * And do not dispute with the followers of the Book (Jevrejima i Hriscanima) except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Qur'an 29:46] In other places the Qur'an says: * Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115) * And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3:199)' * Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Qur'an 2:62] * Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. [Qur'an 3:64] Mislim da je dosta za pocetak. Sad knjige u sake .
рогозуб Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 ovaj tekst je imaginos-stajl (a za crkvene Tasa-stajl) dvesta strana rechi, dve rechenice smila. O Vjerovjeniče, bori se protiv nevjernika i licemjera i budi prema njima strog! (sūra et-Tewbe, 73. ājet)
metalheart Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Pa kakva je to religija ako ja ne mogu ni da dođem do primerka njihove svete knjige? Probaj da odes do dzamije i pitaj jel mozes da dobijes jedan primerak. Ali prvo operi noge...hi hi
Axeanosilas Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Probaj da odes do dzamije i pitaj jel mozes da dobijes jedan primerak. Ali prvo operi noge...hi hi
рогозуб Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 gojko, mozhesh da nadjesh kuran kod prodavaca knjiga na ulici.. htedoh da uzmem jedan sa extra povezom, za samo 300 kinte, prevod na bosanski, ima i original arapski, donesem sutra pare, ono prodato.. a video sam na vishe mesta... moram da stavim hadis koji sam prochitao sada: Prenosi se od Ubejj ibn Ka'ba da je Allahov Poslanik, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, rekao: “Ako vidite čovjeka kako se ponosi pripisivanjem jednom narodu na način iz vremena džahilijjeta [da je nacionalista], recite mu da zagrize polni organ svoga oca, i ne uljepšavajte ove moje riječi.” Sahih El-Džami 567 i Es-Silsilah Es-Sahihah 269 :buahaha: a shto se tiche dzhihada, evo josh jednog teksta: Obaveza džihada nikada neće spasti sa ummeta - Šejh AbdurRahman ibn Hasan
Axeanosilas Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Чекај, мрзи ме да тражим... Сура је поглавље, ајет је члан, шта је хадис? Стих?
metalheart Posted July 17, 2008 Report Posted July 17, 2008 Сура је поглавље, ајет је члан, шта је хадис? Стих? Ccc...zasto nisi naucio domaci zadatak? Nisam te tako ucila... Sura=poglavlje Ajet=stih Hadis=zapis Muhamedovog dela ili izreke
Dersu Uzala Posted July 18, 2008 Report Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) Kuran i Hadit su prva dva. Edited July 18, 2008 by Elam Harnish
Dersu Uzala Posted July 18, 2008 Report Posted July 18, 2008 dvesta strana rechi, dve rechenice smila. Ispeki pa reki. Inace, imas tamo 'legendu' pa potrazi .
рогозуб Posted July 18, 2008 Report Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) prochitaj tekst na linku preko ajeta "O Vjerovjeniče, bori se protiv nevjernika i licemjera i budi prema njima strog! (sūra et-Tewbe, 73. ājet)" evo o5 isti link: Između borbe za nanošenje štete (neprijatelju) i borbe za utemeljenje - šejh Ebū Muhammed el-Maqdisī lep tekst o dzhihadu. Edited July 18, 2008 by рогозуб
Теша Тешановић Posted August 6, 2008 Report Posted August 6, 2008 evo preveli su quran na jezik cigana sa balkana http://www.mrc.org.yu/?mod=prikaz&jezi...mp;id_tekst=100 a o cemu je ova cela prica da je muzika haram u islamu??to mi nikako nije jasno.mozda ovaj citat sa sandzackog foruma u na temi dali je muzika haram moze da razjasni stvari "U glavnom ja u slusanju muzike ne vidim nista slabo, mozda kad bi slusao neki teski punk koji pjevaju nesto o satanizmu i neznam cemu......."
рогозуб Posted August 6, 2008 Report Posted August 6, 2008 зато што је Мухамед забранио било какву сем а капела музике, и то само ако има побожне речи... имају арапи ексра музике, кад крену да миксају гласове.. скини било који филм са некој вехабијског сајта, па послушај певање у позадини... мени је баш одлично то њихово певање.. ваљда га зову ашанид, ил тако нешто, заборавих..
Теша Тешановић Posted August 6, 2008 Report Posted August 6, 2008 зато што је Мухамед забранио било какву сем а капела музике, и то само ако има побожне речи... имају арапи ексра музике, кад крену да миксају гласове.. скини било који филм са некој вехабијског сајта, па послушај певање у позадини... мени је баш одлично то њихово певање.. ваљда га зову ашанид, ил тако нешто, заборавих.. pa znam za njihovo pevanje,jako je dobro.skidao sam sa neta neke albume sufistickog dervishkog pevanja i zacudilo me je to sto dervisi koriste instrumente u svojim religijskim ritualima.a sto se tice obicnih sunita pa nisam jos stigao da slusam njihovo pevanje.a ovako inace sam ljubitelj arapske sekularne folk muzike.bas mi je krivo sto je to po islamu haram
рогозуб Posted August 7, 2008 Report Posted August 7, 2008 pa znam za njihovo pevanje,jako je dobro.skidao sam sa neta neke albume sufistickog dervishkog pevanja i zacudilo me je to sto dervisi koriste instrumente u svojim religijskim ritualima.a sto se tice obicnih sunita pa nisam jos stigao da slusam njihovo pevanje.a ovako inace sam ljubitelj arapske sekularne folk muzike.bas mi je krivo sto je to po islamu haram ашанид (ако се тако зове) је једина дозвољена музика по исламу. те суфије и секуларне срања би све правоверни муслимани забранили.
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