Ekologija

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

ode vugla!

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

Izaberite maskotu Zvezdarske šume

 

Postavili smo glasanje na nasem sajtu u gornjem desnom uglu http://zvezdarskasuma.blogspot.com/ koje ce trajati 2 nedelje,mozete izabrati izmedju veverice,detlica,sove i jeza.Zivotinja sa najvise glasova ce postati maskota Zvezdarske sume,to jest naseg udruzenja

[Vitamin K Experience]

Đubrište veličine SAD pliva Pacifikom

[Doom]

Strashno. Ali naravno to nije bitno. Vazan je profit. Boze moj, zasto bi se nas to ticalo kad postoje mnogo bitnija pitanja? Nije to nase dvoriste, nek se 'merikanci i ovi jevropejci brinu o tome. Nece srbin u ekologe, sve je to zlo sa zapada, gledaj stoko od cega zivis, a ne tamo nekakvije ekologije i sta ti ja znam, to u nase vreme nije bilo. Pocinje veliki brat za 5 minuta...

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

informisah se nesto,ima bas film plastic planet o tome.Jebeno je pored toga sto se tice tog ostrva otpada je sto ribe jedu tu plastiku a plastika ne moze da se raspadnema cak i kad se raspadne nerazgradiva je.Sto znaci da mi jedemo plastiku iz riba,a takodje cemo za nekoliko desetina godina jesti je i od ostalih zemljanih zivotinja.

 

Inace sutra je 31 dan kako drveni advokat cuva platan 198,dodjite i podrzite coveka

 

Uspesmo ovu pizdu od savetnika Borisa Tadica po imenu Nebojsa Krstic da nagovorimo da potpise peticiju danas da se sacuva platan.Jebo im ja mater politicarsku.

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

Studentski Kulturni Centar,Beograd

06.04.2010

 

Panel diskusija: Urbano zelenilo Beograda, Dosije Bulevar Kralja Aleksandra, Ekoloski pokret Zeleni talas

 

Studentski kulturni centar,

Beograd, 06.04. 2010

Mala sala 18.00h

 

 

Skup je zamisljen kao panel diskusija koja ima za cilj da kroz strucnu i gradjansku vizuru osvetli nedavni dogadjaj kada je akcijom gradskih vlasti i pored protesta gradjana i strucnnjaka posecen najstariji drvored u Beogradu. Razgovaralo bi se o uticaju ove promene na zivotnu sredinu, odnosno o mogucnostima za rast novog drvoreda u uslovima velikog zagadjenja.

Ekoloska dimenzija nenadoknadivost stete. Odnos prema prirodi u gradovima. Ideja zivotne sredine i opsteg dobra. Urbano zelenilo je strategija grada, uloga gradjana. Pasivizacija gradjana, stanje u javnim gradskim preduzećima i posledice. Uredjnje parkova i zelenih povrsina, gradjanske inicijative, iskustva evropskih gradova.

Predstavljanje projekta EP Zeleni talas: Zeleni krovovi Beograda.

Politicka dimenzija - Masakr drvoreda: gest vlasti, uslovljavanje, ultimatum i politika svrsenog cina. Pregled istorijskih primera slicnih postupaka u Srbiji i svetu. Simbolicka akcija i njeni efekti, novo racunanje vremena za novi drvored. Drvo u gradu kao spoj duhovnog i materijalnog principa, kao spomenik vremena, kontekstualizacija i smisaonost javnog prostora. Zelenilo kao paradigma odnosa vlasti prema gradjanima.

Gradjanska dimenzija pojedinacnih gradjanskih organizacija ili pokreta. Nuznost alternative

Napomena:

Razgovor bi bio snimljen, autorizovan i objavljen u vidu prigodnog ilustrovanog zbornika kao svedocanstvo na ovaj dogadjaj.

 

Ucesnici

1. Desanka A ulić Fakultet za zaA!titu zivotne sredine Union

2. Darko Nadic, Fakultet politiÄ?kih nauka

3. Milenko Jovanovic, Agencija za zaA!titu A3ivotne sredine

4. Goran Trivan, gradski sekretar za zaA!titu A3ivotne sredine

5. Slobodan ToA!ović, gradski zavod za javno zdravlje

6. Jordan Aleksić, Fakultet za primenjenu ekologiju - Futura

7. Jelena Milovanović, Fakultet za primenjenu ekologiju - Futura

8. Olivera Stojković, Nezavisni aktivisti Srbije

9. Slobodan - GiA!a Bogunović, Akademija arhitekture

10. Mihailo Maletin, Saobraćajni fakultet

11. Branislav Jovin, Akademija arhitekture

12. Jelena Zarić, EP Zeleni talas

13. Milan Radonjić, EP Zeleni talas

14. Milos Zivkovic, UG Sacuvajmo beogradske platane

15. Olga Sabo, UG Sacuvajmo beogradske platane

16. Dejan Simonovic, UG Sacuvajmo Zvezdarsku Sumu

17. Vuk Stambolovic Medicinski fakultet

18. Predrag Markovic istoricar

19. Borka Pavicevic, Centar za kulturnu dekontaminaciju

20. Antonije Pusic(Rambo Amadeus), muzicki umetnik

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

Nagrade ULUS-a za prosireni Medij,valjda je izlozba jos neki dan otvorena u paviljonu cvijeta zuzoric

 

 

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

sledece nedelje ce biti neka tribina u skupstini grada o posumljavanju Beograda i otvara je djilas,da vidim i to cudo...

 

5 juna ministar za ekologiju i palamudjenje organizuje veliko ciscenje drzave,aj da vidim i to

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

live web kamera zadnjeg platana 187 u bulevaru

http://www.balkanmagazin.net/web_camera.aspx

 

 

Platanski referendum

16/05/2010 од p198

U sredu, 19. maja 2010. godine, na Bulevaru, kod Drveta, od 8:00 do 20:00, biće organizovan platanski referendum da se platanu broj 198 obezbede kvalitetni uslovi za život i oporavak.

 

 

Predlog za uređenje prostora oko platana broj 198 predat je na razmatranje gradskim vlastima. Izvod iz ključnog dela predloga glasi:

 

Bitan preduslov razvoja drveta, ili u ovom slučaju njegovog oporavka i regeneracije, je aeracija korenovog sistema, koja u drvoredu u gradskim uslovima može biti posebno otežana zbog sloja asfalta na trotoaru i kolovozu. U slučaju platana broj 198, zadovoljavajući stepen aeracije se može obezbediti ostavljanjem malog travnjaka oko platana. Prema regulaciono-nivelacionom planu rekonstrukcije Bulevara iz 2009. godine, oko platana broj 198, na raskrsnici sa Jagićevom ostavljen je prazan prostor, zbog položaja i preglednosti raskrsnice. Plan dopušta prostor od približno 12 x 3.5 metara ekscentrično oko platana, koji bi mogao biti iskorišćen da se poprave uslovi za razvoj korena i poboljša estetika ulice na ovom delu Bulevara. Na taj će način prostor izgledati lepše i humanije, pogotovo ako se uzme u obzir da u blizini nema puno zelenih površina.

 

 

Prema predlogu projekta, za džepni park iskorišćen je raspoloživi prostor od 12 x 3.5 metara. Unutar džepnog parka predviđeno je mesto za uličnu svetiljku prema postojećem planu rekonstrukcije, a ima i dovoljno slobodnog prostora da se na strani bliže Jagićevoj ulici postavi nova drvoredna sadnica kada za to bude vreme. Prostor bi bio ograđen zidom od cigle, budući da je cigla u potpunosti ekološki proizvod. Predviđeno je da zid bude visine 0,5 metara, i širine do 10 santimetara. Bočno sa obe strane predviđene su klupe za odmor, bez naslona.

 

 

Prilikom skidanja asfalta oko platana, pogotovo u neposrednoj okolini pridanka, postojeći sloj asfalta oko korena treba pažljivo, najbolje bez mehanizacije, podići, da pridanak stabla i površinski deo korena ne bi bili oštećeni. Zemljište bi zatim trebalo dobro očistiti od ostataka betona i asfalta, drenirati i nasuti supstratom povoljnih fizičkih osobina. Prostor oko platana može se zatim ukrasiti rokarijumom, niskim zimzelenim žbunovima ili cvetnicama.

 

Uz to predlažem da se na adekvatnom mestu na ogradi bliže Jagićevoj ulici postavi i mala javna česma. Postavljanje javne česme povećalo bi funkcionalnost, a i estetiku prostora.

 

 

Neka se čuje i Vaš glas. U sredu, 19. maja, izađite na platanski referendum. Pravo glasa imaju svi punoletni građani, bez obzira na državljanstvo (jer drveće ne poznaje granice). Pravo glasa imaju i svi maloletni građani koji mogu da pročitaju i razumeju sadržaj referendumskog listića. Regularnost glasanja u svakom trenutku mogu da prate svi zainteresovani građani.

http://www.balkanmagazin.net/web_camera.aspx

 

Platanski referendum – zato što nam je stalo!

 

Dovoljan je Vaš potpis! Vidimo se u sredu kod Drveta!

[Doom]

http://www.24sata.rs/vesti.php?id=73152

- Rešili smo da prihvatimo sugestije građana i zasadimo stabla platana, koja će odmah bljesnuti na sređenom Bulevaru.

... o boze ima li te sad...

sta bre ovaj prica, kakvi bre platani koji bljeste? na kojim je on drogama kad ovako bunca?

[salebghouse]

jedna sadnica kosta 1000e? klot, bez prevoza, bez icega...

 

cirkus se nastavlja

 

 

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

i dobice ih iz belgije ili madjarske,zivi bili pa videli.

[VoivodBG]

Petar Luković: Sečem Dakle Postojim

 

svaka mu je zlatna.

[Rehabilitovani Bagrem]

U potpunosti,najbolji delovi teksta:

 

Pa, dobro, da vas nešto pitam, Đilase: koji ste kurac sekli, ako sad nameravate da sadite? Zar nam niste objasnili, štiteći se policijom, da je sve trulo, smrtno bolesno, da se mora ubiti odmah, da je platan vekovni neprijatelj Beograda, da vam je čak i Čedomir Jovanović poverovao i obećao da ćemo imati drveće „velike visine“ ali u „punom obimu“?

 

Dozvolite da vam poručim da vam se serem na sadnice prečnika 15 centimetara, a posebno na mogućnu visinu od deset metara. Uzgred, poserem se na vašu duševnu bol, a posebno na vašu funkciju.

 

Ne sadite ništa. Ostavite Bulevar onakvim kako ga vaistinu volite. Bez drveta. Bez korena. Bez 15 seksualnih centimetara. Ostavite ga takvim da ga ljudi pamte po vama. Bez obzira na pločice Delte i B92, kojima ćete probati da olakšate vašu duševnu bol. Koja se, tek da podsetim, leči dugogodišnjim zatvorom. Jer, iz ćelije se platani najbolje vide.

[Guest HEFEST]

Teorija o globalnom zagrevanju mi je uvek bila sumnjiva. Uvek u svakoj priči pokušam da namirišem američku ujdurmu i psinu. Ovde je to bilo malo teže uraditi jer nije bilo nikakvih dokaza koji bi isplivali ili slično. Tako jednog dana ja sasvim slučajno naleteh na priču velikana ekologije i najvećeg prirodnjaka na planeti Dejvida Belamija. Siguran sam da svi znate simpatičnog čikicu. Uglavnom u seriji video snimaka čovekje objasnio sasvim neke stvari. To da je globalno zagrevanje laž je za njega jasno kao dan.

 

Evo sažeto ono glavno:

 

Površina arktičog leda se od 2007. godine, kada je konačna studija o globalnom zagrevanju izneta, u kojoj se predviđa totalno otapanje leda na polovima povećala za 409.000 kvaratnih milja. Tako nešto po teoriji o globalnom zagrevanju ne bi nikada bilo moguće jer je proces zagrevanja progresivan i ireverzibilan. Bullseye!!!! Kabooom!!! Samo zbog ovoga cela teorija kompletno pada u vodu.

 

Na argument koji navode da je sada mnogo toplije nego pre 20 ili 30 godina odgovor je taj da je klima na našoj planeti od uvek promenljivog karaktera pa je tako pre oko 2000 godina bilo mnogo toplije nego danas tako da pada i ova teorija po kojoj je ovo najtopliji period.

 

Takodje po nalazima skoro 30.000 naučnika širom sveta , a po tvrđenju Dejvida Belamija, čija je reč za mene zakon što se tiče bilo čega vezanog za život na planeti uopšte, sasvim tačnim nalazima nas moji yumetalci očekuje 30 hladnih godina. Mnogo hladnijih od bilo čega što smo mi za svog života zapamtili. Vidite to i po zadnje 3 godine da preko leta non-stop pada kiša. Bude možda ukupno 20 dana leta. To će se pogoršati u narednom periodu tako da leta skoro uopšte neće ni biti.

 

Koga interesuje ovo neka pogleda ovaj snimak, a i ostale vezane za temu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU_AZ--tg7Y

[Vresište]

objasni to njemu...

[KinSlayer]

[Guest HEFEST]

@ matatrtaDрадррипалсив

 

To tvoje nešto kao objašnjava? Sigurno taj medved nije čekao dok se kilometri leda nisu istopili i na kraju ostao na tom patrljku. Smešno. Pogledaj malo detaljnije celu priču i videćeš. Belamija su i skinuli sa televizije jer nije hteo da priča sve što su mu naređivali. Nije nikada bio pičketina i srebroljubac. On je ono što ja nazivam pravim prirodnjakom. Ceo svoj život je tome posvetio i sigurno se bez ogromnog razloga ne bi posrao na sve to.

[Vresište]

@ matatrtaDрадррипалсив

 

To tvoje nešto kao objašnjava? Sigurno taj medved nije čekao dok se kilometri leda nisu istopili i na kraju ostao na tom patrljku. Smešno. Pogledaj malo detaljnije celu priču i videćeš. Belamija su i skinuli sa televizije jer nije hteo da priča sve što su mu naređivali. Nije nikada bio pičketina i srebroljubac. On je ono što ja nazivam pravim prirodnjakom. Ceo svoj život je tome posvetio i sigurno se bez ogromnog razloga ne bi posrao na sve to.

Ma...

Volim ja da serem. Nikad se nisam udubljivao u tematiku.

Ionako mi je carbon footprint pozamashan. Recikliram, al to je kao kad bi masovni ubica odustao od jebanja stada ovaca da bi okajao svoje zhrtve...

[Dead Man Walking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU_AZ--tg7Y

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeqQ1eYiQU&feature=related

 

Nisam neki stručnjak ali čiča je ovde ostao bez teksta. Kako je ispalo uopšte nema pokrića za te dokaze o povećanju ledene mase. Istina je i da ni ovaj drugi nije izneo konkretne dokaze nego samo kenja o "većini" naučnika što nije nikakav dokaz...

 

Mogu samo reći da su budale i jedni i drugi koji uzimaju jednu ili drugu teoriju zdravo za gotovo i čvrsto veruju u nju...a nisu naučnici...

Edited August 1, 2010 by Dead Man Walking

[salebghouse]

meanwhile, u meksickom zalivu

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest HEFEST]

Nisam neki stručnjak ali čiča je ovde ostao bez teksta. Kako je ispalo uopšte nema pokrića za te dokaze o povećanju ledene mase. Istina je i da ni ovaj drugi nije izneo konkretne dokaze nego samo kenja o "većini" naučnika što nije nikakav dokaz...

 

Mogu samo reći da su budale i jedni i drugi koji uzimaju jednu ili drugu teoriju zdravo za gotovo i čvrsto veruju u nju...a nisu naučnici...

 

Cica je ostao bez teksta jer je odgovor na pitanje veoma opsiran, a ne zato sto ne zna svoj izvor informacija. Izvori su razni i mnogobrojni. Da li znas da nikakvi podaci o global vormingu nisu dostupni javnosti. Samo su se uhvatili povrsine ledene mase, a povrsina se za zadnje dve, tri godine povecala. To sto on nije rekao odakle je to vide je zato sto nije mogao da odluci odakle pre da krene. Takodje ne postoje podaci zagovornika teorije zagrevanja kolika je sada povrsina ledene mase. Samo pricaju kako ce se za 10-20 godina toliko smanjiti da skoro nece ni postojati. Nigde nikakvih dokaza. Evo jedan opsirniji clanak o Belamijevoj tezi. Jedno je zbuniti coveka u studiju, a drugo je poreci neke od ovde napisanih stvari.

 

There is no evidence of carbon dioxide being a poison, or that it is capable of causing a warming Armageddon. What follows is a summary of the proof — straight from real science, peer-reviewed over the past 232 years by legions of physicists, thanks to Newton’s Principia.

 

Remember the famous picture of Miss Marilyn Monroe with her skirt blown high? Even at the age of 76, when I see this picture my temperature goes up — followed by the amount of carbon dioxide I exhale. Never the other way ’round. Now, thanks to the study of a series of ice cores, this appears to be an inconvenient truth for the global warming industry.

 

Al Gore used this ice core data to claim that carbon dioxide made the temperature of the world rise, threatening life on earth, because there was a correlation between atmospheric CO2 levels and the world’s average temperature. Yet the data from the much-celebrated Vostok ice cores paints a very different picture: Up goes the temperature, followed by a rise in carbon dioxide.

 

Effectively flattening Gore’s dreams of hedging his funds.

 

More troubles lie ahead for the warmists. Independent researchers have pointed out that crucially important pieces of the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) evidence were based on false statistical analysis. For starters, take a look at historical evidence from the last 1,000 years. There was a worldwide Medieval Warm Period — no, not just in Europe — and a few centuries prior to that period it was warm enough for the Romans to produce red wine on the borders of Scotland.

 

The warmists did their best to hide this inconvenient truth, too. In 2006, Dr. David Deming of the University of Oklahoma testified to the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. He stated that soon after he had published a paper on borehole temperature based on historical data in the journal Science, he received an email from a major climate change researcher which read:

 

We have to get rid of the medieval warm period.

 

Michael Mann, one of the divas of global warming, had done just that. He published a reconstruction of past temperatures from AD 1000 to the present … in which the Medieval Warm Period conveniently vanished.Warmist believers joined in, flag-waving and sandwich-boarding, calling Mann critics “deniers” and worse.

 

Over the past 5,000 years? There was not just one, but three periods when it was warmer than today. And yet life on Earth survived. Climate change is natural, and warmer periods occur without human CO2 emissions being the cause. Just looking at the last decade, world temperature is falling as CO2 rises — big emitters China and India have been stocking up their coal sheds. Increases in CO2 rarely coincide with rises in the Earth’s temperature — so how can CO2 be the driver of global warming, let alone climate change?

 

Following the spread of this evidence, the warmists began to see the lights of the skeptic train rushing down their tunnel of hype. Those with the most to lose dropped the term “global warming,” replacing it with “climate change” — which has been happening since the first living thing was there to record the evidence. With this new term, they gave themselves a spurious license to carry on frightening law-abiding citizens with waterlogged tales of unprovable tipping points just around the corner.

 

Meanwhile, one of Britain’s mainstream scientific groups, NERC, sidestepped this troublesome term by blaming everything on “environmental change” in their publication Planet Earth.

 

We have had at least 75 major temperature swings in the past 4,500 years — all in great part explicable by solar cycles, volcanic activity, and those little rascals El Nino and La Nina. Those “warming” oceans? The recent trend is one of cooling, not the warming predicted by legions of modelers and their models. Since 2007, the Arctic ice cap has been increasing in area, heading back towards the norm again. Yes, the Northwest Passage was navigable this year — but it has been that way on a number of occasions, just since 1850. Thanks in great part to prevailing winds changing direction, as they are wont to do.

 

During the past 10,000 years since the end of the last Ice Age, all the civilizations of the world came to fruition — and they mainly prospered in the warmer periods.

 

There are now more polar bears dining on seals in the Arctic than when I was filming there some 30 years ago, thanks to good wildlife management. So good, in fact, that the global warmists did their best to lock out the lead manager on that project from an important meeting discussing polar bear population — a matter that Al Gore would use to falsely frighten children across the world.

 

Sea levels have been behaving themselves, slowly rising ever since the end of the Little Ice Age. However, much to the chagrin of the warmists, they have remained stationary since 2006 — against all their predictions. Those who had bothered to read the IPCC’s 2007 report might have noticed the following from Chapter 5:

 

Finally, the global average sea level rise for the last 50 years is likely to be larger than can be explained by thermal expansion and loss of land ice due to increased melting and thus for this period it is not possible to satisfactorily quantify the known processes causing sea level rise.

 

We can only guess why the likes of the BBC chose not to report this good news.

 

Just this year, the data behind Michael Mann’s hockey stick was finally released. Mann had used only 12 carefully selected tree ring sequences to prepare his story — omitting 34 that didn’t suit his purpose. This is surely one of the most scandalous examples of cherry picking on record, a blatant attempt to keep the world scared of carbon dioxide, and to keep reputations and research budgets safe. A gravy train, of jet-set travel to conferences in choice locations around the globe, each well-laced with top cuisine for the top tables and adulation from a regular caravansary of hangers-on, swelling a spurious and unscientific consensus.

 

I have spent over 50 years of my life talking to and about plants, while doing my bit to recycle carbon dioxide to keep the living world going round and round. Today, children are taught that carbon dioxide is a poison. No — it is odorless, colorless, and non-toxic. We drink it in fizzy drinks and lager, and it puts the rise in our daily bread. Most importantly, it is one of the most important components of all life — photosynthesis converts CO2 into oxygen and carbon, life’s main building blocks. As long as plants have sufficient water and nutrients, their growth is enhanced by rising concentrations of carbon dioxide. CO2 is the free airborne fertilizer of the world.

 

Many experiments prove this fact of a carbon-rich atmosphere, experiments corroborated by millions of farmers across the world who cash in on the use of enhanced carbon dioxide in their greenhouses. Many even burn fossil fuel to boost production. Carbon dioxide plays a vital part in providing the 18 billion daily meals that do their best to feed the growing number of people across the world. The once-starving people of parts of the Sahel and Sahara deserts have returned to farm their lands, thanks to the shade of trees that now grow on some 300,000 square kilometers of their tribal lands, thanks in great part to rising levels of carbon dioxide.

 

The last thing Africa needs is to reduce its non-existent carbon footprint. Likewise, the last thing the economy of the world needs is to spend trillions of taxpayer money trying to solve the credit crunch by raising taxes to win a non-existent carbon dioxide war. The cost of the global warming scam is rising fast, and soon will pass the hundred billion dollar mark. Money that could have been spent solving real problems.

 

This August, right in the middle of the BBC’s promised barbecue summer (which didn’t come to pass), the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data for its global surface temperature records. Despite the fact that they own some of the most powerful computers in the world, the reason they advanced was “an alleged lack of storage space.” The very foundation of the global warming argument was gone forever. Draw your own conclusions — sabotage or desperation?

 

Remember the millennium bug, or the dot-com bubble? Tens of thousands of the highest-paid and most computer-literate people fell for it, and rued the day. Now we see folks forced to stand by and watch biodiesel, palm oil, and soya swallow up their biodiverse, sustainably farmed rangelands.

 

Earth’s climate has remained within the limits tolerated by life for several billion years. During this time, the planet has experienced unimaginable volcanic events which liberated huge amounts of CO2. It has collided with extraterrestrial objects, triggering either an increase or decrease of temperature. Even the energy flow from the sun has varied over such a span of geological time.

 

And yet — here we are! Life remains. The global temperature is now well within life’s limits, the present-day is cooler than much of previous geological time, and you may soon have the opportunity to buy a secondhand private jet from the worlds first carbon-neutral billionaire.

 

Podsecam Vas sve jos jednom da nikada ne smete verovati americkom politicaru. U stvari kada jedan njihov politicar kaze da je dan vi znajte sigurno da je noc ili mozda treba da Vas podsetim kako su nas gadjali bombama i kako su pocepali nasu drzavu zbog svojih interesa. U pozadini cele ove price je opet politicka igra i to jedna od najvecih u istoriji. Samo Al Gor je za ja mislim godinu dana zaradio na svojoj lazi 3 milijarde evra dame i gospodo!!! Necu da pricam dalje. Zamislite ceo svet ide bio goriva koja ce neko proizvoditi i zgrtati ogroman novac. Novac je uvek srz svega ili stvarno mislite da je Al Gor covekoljubac i milosrdni andjeo koji ce nas spasti od propasti. Sama cinjenica da je dobio Nobelovu nagradu za to mi u startu govori da je u pitanju namestaljka jer tu nagradu nije dobio niko ko je zasluzuje zadnjih 30 godina(sem onog sto je pronasao superprovodnike).

 

 

I must say that I find the politicisation of Climate Change “Science” very disturbing.

 

I studied Physics at University. The Scientific Method is very clearly set out. Research results must be open for verification, every postulate must be able to be disproved and so on. Failure to follow the proper procedure meant you failed your exam!

 

None of the principles behind the scientific method seem to apply to climate change research today. It is clearly in no way a mature science.

 

As a result of the “warmists” work we find Bangladesh claiming that they are vulnerable to rising sea levels when they are much more likely to be suffering from tectonic plate subduction.

 

“Ad Hominum” attacks seem to be the norm, for example: the academic from the University of East Anglia on Newsnight recently who very carefully called the other interviewee “What an A*******e” right at the very end of the interview, demeaned himself and his point of view. My reaction to those who use such language is that they must have no academic arguments left to present.

 

I am not at all concerned about the “loss of data”. If an experiment or a mathematical model cannot be replicated then it cannot possibly be the basis for proving or disproving a particular postulate. Unless it can be replicated by other scientists it cannot be accepted as an observation which supports or disproves a postulate. To make their point the “scientists” who ran the experiment or analysed historical data will have to go back and do it all again – this time carefully allowing anyone else who wishes access to their data and their methodology. I refer you to the case of “cold fusion” as an example of what happens when other scientists cannot replicate the initial results..

 

Finally – where can I lay my bet that by 2020 we will be getting scare stories about the next ice-age? Mini maxi medium or whatever. That will be the next device to raise funds and taxes.

Edited August 3, 2010 by HEFEST

[Dead Man Walking]

Pročitao sam ovo ali mi i dalje to ne znači ništa osim da verujem jednom ili drugom.

 

Ali čiča jeste odgovorio na pitanje. Rekao je da je pročitao to o povećanju ledene površine na nekom web sajtu. A to mu je jedna od glavnih teza. Sa moje tačke gledišta nije ništa bolji od ovih apokaliptičara...

[LoveHateLove]

Bilo da je otopljavanje rezultat prirodnih procesa ili ljudske aktivnosti ne vidim lokigu zasto bi se ljudi zaplasivali tim stvarima? Jebem ga, najmocniji ljudi i oni koji mogu da uticu na medije i sire propagandu su upravo ti sto zagadjuju, najveci kapitalisti. Sto bi oni kvarili svoj biznis. Pa niko im ne brani da razvijaju koriste alternativne izvore energije ako to vec zele. Koju oni korist mogu da imaju u svemu tome?

 

No kako god, neverovatno da covek i dan danas koristi fosilna goriva kao osnovni izvor energije. Isto kao i pre sto godina.

[Dead Man Drinking]

Melting Rate of Icecaps in Greenland and Western Antarctica Lower Than Expected

Nije sve tako jednostavno kao sto vecina misli. Niti su ljudi iskljucivi krivci za globalno zagrevanje, niti je cela prica teorija zavere. Ali cinjenica je da treba mnogo vise voditi racuna o energetskoj efikasnosti, reciklazi i ocuvanju prirode.

 

Edited September 7, 2010 by Dead Man Drinking