Misterije Sveta

[Novaliis]

Ovde mozemo diskutovati o raznim neobicnim pojavama sirom sveta, od kojih su neke manje a neke vise poznate i koje se granice sa znanjima danasnje nauke. Jeti, Bigfut, cudne i retke zivotinje, Kriptozologija, duhovi... Neki od ovih slucajeva su puka fantazija i ocigledne lazi, drugi su daleko ozbiljniji i traze objasnjenje zvanicne nauke.

 

Evo krenucu sa pricom o Zani, tajenstvenom stvorenju, tkz. divljoj zeni. Dosta je tekstova na internetu o ovom dogadjaju koji se dogodio 1850. godine.

 

 

 

She was given the name Zana by Russian researchers after she was captured naked and living in the wilderness by hunters in the Ochamchir region of Georgia in the year 1850. From all accounts, she was the closest thing to a live, captured version of a Bigfoot creature on record. Some thought she might have been a throwback to the Neanderthal.

 

Zana was described as something between a human and an ape. She showed some degree of intelligence after some time in captivity, although she never developed the ability to speak or adopt social skills. Some said she was capable of doing hard labor such as grinding grain and farm work, but little more.

 

Even though she lived at a time when cameras were around, we could find no surviving photographs of either Zana, or any of the four children she reportedly bore following her capture. The children were sired by various unidentified males, and were said to have been relatively normal humans even though they all possessed some of the physical characteristics of their mother.

 

Her general description was that she was a large hairy humanoid with thick arms, legs and fingers, a “massive bosom” and large hips. Her skin was black or a dark gray in color, and the hair on her body was a reddish-black. She could splay the toes on her feet. Her face was broad, with high cheekbones, a flat broad nose with turned-out nostrils, a muzzle-like jaw, wide mouth and large teeth. She had a low forehead and her eyes were a reddish tinge.

 

It was said that at the time of her capture, Zana was a wild creature. After being brought into captivity, she had to be kept caged for the first few years until her behavior became mellowed and she could be taught to perform domestic tasks and behave herself to some degree while in society. Among her biggest problems, however, was an unwillingness to wear clothing. Zana lived as a nude and hairy beast in the wild, and throughout her life in human society, they said she resisted having to be dressed.

 

That Zana existed appears to be well established. She was not a native myth. Her two sons and two daughters, and their offspring, many of whom still live in Russia, attest to this. The problem for historians and anthropologists has been just what was she, and from where did she spring?

 

That she could have human children after copulating with humans proved that she was not an animal. Some suggested that she may have been a genetic throwback to the Neanderthal, a humanoid that some believe cross bred with the homo sapiens, which was the reason they went extinct.

 

Another theory was that Zana was a deformed baby who was left in the wilderness by her mother and somehow survived to be a feral creature at the time of her capture.

 

Russian zoologist Alexander Mashkovtsev suggested that Zana was a relict hominoid called Abnauayu, a legendary “Wildman of the forest” said to live in certain areas of the Caucasus Mountains. These creatures have reportedly been observed, and even captured more than once. A Russian doctor, V. S. Karapetian, reportedly examined a Abnauayu in 1941 which was described as a hairy human like creature that was incapable of speech and harbored lice. Are they proof of the mythological “Bigfoot” monster?

 

If Mashkovtsev is correct, Zana thus became the most known Abnauayu to have ever been captured and brought into human captivity.

 

 

 

 

Detaljnije ovde: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/zana.htm

[NećuDisplejNejm]

kul tema.

cudno kako nije ostalo nista dokumentovano na slikama ako je vec bila okruzena kamerama

[Novaliis]

U to vreme nije bilo tako jeftino napraviti sliku. Ali definitivno je to stvorenje postojalo, barem se meni tako cini, posebno ako se procita ceo tekst sa onog linka.

Evo i slike lobanje njenog sina:

 

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/zana_sonKhwit.jpg

 

Prava je misterija sta je zapravo ona bila, odakle dolazi, gde su bili njeni roditelji i da li ima jos pripadnika njene vrste? Mozda svi ti mitovi o Bigfutu i slicnim stvorenjima sirom sveta imaju nekakve veze sa Zanom? Mozda su svi oni pripadnici neke nama do sada nepoznate vrste? Mislim da se o ovome nije detaljnije diskutovalo u javnosti, jer nauka nema blage veze kako da objasni ovaj slucaj. Zana definitivno nije bila covek ali nije ni jedna nama poznata zivotinja.

 

Setimo se da su nekada i gorile smatrane mitskim bicima, bile obavijene plastom misterije, pridavane su im natprirodne moci i sl. sve dok nisu otkrivene u 19. veku (planinske gorile otkrivene oktobra 1902. godine) i kada se saznalo da su to obicne, i veoma stvarne, zivotinje a ne monstrumi kako su pricala plemena.

[Talvi]

Po nekim foto-robotima, ovako je izgledala:

 

 

A ovo je njen sin:

 

[Novaliis]

Zanimljivo bi bilo cuti misljenja ljudi o ovome.

 

A zelim da postujem sada jedan tekst, izvinjavam se sto je na engleskom i sto je malo opsirniji, mislim da je takodje zanimljiv za ovu temu. Nemam obicaj da radim copy/paste, znam da to moze ubiti diskusiju ali mozda ce jos nekome biti interesantno, pa se bude diskutovalo i o ovoj temi. Postovacu u nekoliko delova, da ne bude previse odjednom.

 

 

The following is an intriguing article entitled "Archeological

Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress in the above NEXUS magazine.

Following that is a newspaper article from a 1909 newspaper

indicating a bizarre suppressed find in the Grand Canyon area.

 

It indicates either a hoax published at the time OR that the

Smithsonian and/or the government is covering up details of past

archeological discoveries that would rock current understanding of

the past.

 

Despite KeelyNet being primarily a science based board, this article

intrigues us because of the similarity in information suppression to

"protect the people"....this would appear to be the reason WHY we

don't have working free energy and anti-grav devices as well as

absolute cures for most terminal diseases.

 

If, after reading the article and the attached newspaper file, you

decide to investigate the matter further, we here at KeelyNet would

appreciate you sharing your findings with either/or Mr. Childress at

the World Explorers Club or us here at KeelyNet. Thanks...>>> Jerry

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Archeological Coverups?

by David Hatcher Childress

 

World Explorers Club

403 Kemp Street

Kempton, Illinois 60946-0074 USA

Tel : (815) 253-6390

FAX : (815) 253-6300

 

Most of us are familiar with the last scene in the popular Indiana

Jones archeological adventure film RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in which

an important historical artefact, the Ark of the Covenant from the

Temple in Jerusalem, is locked in a crate and put in a giant

warehouse, never to be seen again, thus ensuring that no history

books will have to be rewritten and no history professor will have

to revise the lecture that he has been giving for the last forty

years.

 

While the film was fiction, the scene in which an important ancient

relic is buried in a warehouse is uncomfortably close to reality for

many researchers. To those who investigate allegations of

archaeological cover-ups, there are disturbing indications that the

most important archaeological institute in the United States, the

Smithsonian Institute, an independent federal agency, has been

actively suppressing some of the most interesting and important

archaeological discoveries made in the Americas.

 

The Vatican has been long accused of keeping artefacts and ancient

books in their vast cellars, without allowing the outside world

access to them. These secret treasures, often of a controversial

historical or religious nature, are allegedly suppressed by the

Catholic Church because they might damage the church's credibility,

or perhaps cast their official texts in doubt. Sadly, there is

overwhelming evidence that something very similar is happening with

the Smithsonian Institution.

 

The cover-up and alleged suppression of archaeological evidence

began in late 1881 when John Wesley Powell, the geologist famous for

exploring the Grand Canyon, appointed Cyrus Thomas as the director

of the Eastern Mound Division of the Smithsonian Institution's

Bureau of Ethnology.

 

When Thomas came to the Bureau of Ethnology he was a

 

"pronounced believer in the existence of a race of Mound Builders,

distinct from the American Indians."

 

However, John Wesley Powell, the director of the Bureau of

Ethnology, a very sympathetic man toward the American Indians, had

lived with the peaceful Winnebago Indians of Wisconsin for many

years as a youth and felt that American Indians were unfairly

thought of as primitive and savage.

 

The Smithsonian began to promote the idea that Native Americans, at

that time being exterminated in the Indian Wars, were descended from

advanced civilisations and were worthy of respect and protection.

 

They also began a program of suppressing any archaeological evidence

that lent credence to the school of thought known as Diffusionism, a

school which believes that throughout history there has been

widespread dispersion of culture and civilisation via contact by

ship and major trade routes.

 

The Smithsonian opted for the opposite school, known as

Isolationism. Isolationism holds that most civilisations are

isolated from each other and that there has been very little contact

between them, especially those that are separated by bodies of

water. In this intellectual war that started in the 1880s, it was

held that even contact between the civilisations of the Ohio and

Mississippi Valleys were rare, and certainly these civilisations did

not have any contact with such advanced cultures as the Mayas,

Toltecs, or Aztecs in Mexico and Central America. By Old World

standards this is an extreme, and even ridiculous idea, considering

that the river system reached to the Gulf of Mexico and these

civilisations were as close as the opposite shore of the gulf. It

was like saying that cultures in the Black Sea area could not have

had contact with the Mediterranean.

 

When the contents of many ancient mounds and pyramids of the Midwest

were examined, it was shown that the history of the Mississippi

River Valleys was that of an ancient and sophisticated culture that

had been in contact with Europe and other areas. Not only that, the

contents of many mounds revealed burials of huge men, sometimes

seven or eight feet tall, in full armour with swords and sometimes

huge treasures.

 

(Vangard note..>Eastern Indian texts say that at one time men lived

thousands of years and grew very tall in direct proportion to their

age, as does the Bible with the comment "and there were GIANTS in

the earth in those days...")

 

For instance, when Spiro Mound in Oklahoma was excavated in the

1930's, a tall man in full armour was discovered along with a pot of

thousands of pearls and other artefacts, the largest such treasure

so far documented. The whereabouts of the man in armour is unknown

and it is quite likely that it eventually was taken to the

Smithsonian Institution.

 

In a private conversation with a well-known historical researcher

(who shall remain nameless), I was told that a former employee of

the Smithsonian, who was dismissed for defending the view of

diffusionism in the Americas (i.e. the heresy that other ancient

civilisations may have visited the shores of North and South America

during the many millenia before Columbus), alleged that the

Smithsonian at one time had actually taken a barge full of unusual

artefacts out into the Atlantic and dumped them in the ocean.

 

Though the idea of the Smithsonian' covering up a valuable

archaeological find is difficult to accept for some, there is,

sadly, a great deal of evidence to suggest that the Smithsonian

Institution has knowingly covered up and 'lost' important

archaeological relics. The STONEWATCH NEWSLETTER of the Gungywamp

Society in Connecticut, which researches megalithic sites in New

England, had a curious story in their Winter 1992 issue about stone

coffins discovered in 1892 in Alabama which were sent to the

Smithsonian Institution and then 'lost'. According to the

newsletter, researcher Frederick J. Pohl wrote an intriguing letter

in 1950 to the late Dr. T.C. Lethbridge, a British archaeologist.

 

The letter from Pohl stated, "A professor of geology sent me a

reprint (of the) Smithsonian Institution, THE CRUMF BURIAL CAVE by

Frank Burns, US Geological Survey, from the report of the US

National Museum for 1892, pp 451-454, 1984. In the Crumf Cave,

southern branch of the Warrior River, in Murphy's Valley, Blount

County, Alabama, accessible from Mobile Bay by river, were coffins

of wood hollowed out by fire, aided by stone or copper chisels.

 

Either of these coffins were taken to the Smithsonian. They were

about 7.5 feet long, 14" to 18" wide, 6" to 7" deep. Lids open.

"I wrote recently to the Smithsonian, and received a reply March

11th from F.M. Setzler, Head Curator of Department of Anthropology

(He said) 'We have not been able to find the specimens in our

collections, though records show that they were received."

[Novaliis]

David Barron, President of the Gungywamp Society was eventually told

by the Smithsonian in 1992 that the coffins were actually wooden

troughs and that they could not be viewed anyway because they were

housed in an asbestos-contaminated warehouse. This warehouse was to

be closed for the next ten years and no one was allowed in except

the Smithsonian personnel!

 

Ivan T. Sanderson, a well-known zoologist and frequent guest on

Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the 1960s (usually with an exotic

animal with a pangolin or a lemur), once related a curious story

about a letter he received regarding an engineer who was stationed

on the Aleutian island of Shemya during World War II. While

building an airstrip, his crew bulldozed a group of hills and

discovered under several sedimentary layers what appeared to be

human remains. The Alaskan mound was in fact a graveyard of

gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones.

 

The crania measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown. Since

an adult skull normally measures about eight inches from back to

front, such a large crania would imply an immense size for a

normally proportioned human. Furthermore, every skull was said to

have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper

portion of the skull).

 

In fact, the habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing

it to grow in an elongated shape was a practice used by ancient

Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson

tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving a letter from

another member of the unit who confirmed the report. The letters

both indicated that the Smithsonian Institution had collected the

remains, yet nothing else was heard. Sanderson seemed convinced

that the Smithsonian Institution had received the bizarre relics,

but wondered why they would not release the data. He asks, "...is

it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?"

 

In 1944 an accidental discovery of an even more controversial nature

was made by Waldemar Julsrud at Acambaro, Mexico. Acambaro is in

the state of Guanajuato, 175 miles northwest of Mexico City. The

strange archaeological site there yielded over 33,500 objects of

ceramic;stone, including jade; and knives of obsidian (sharper than

steel and still used today in heart surgery). Jalsrud, a prominent

local German merchant, also found statues ranging from less than an

inch to six feet in length depicting great reptiles, some of them in

ACTIVE ASSOCIATION with humans - generally eating them, but in some

bizarre statuettes an erotic association was indicated. To

observers many of these creatures resembled dinosaurs.

 

Jalsrud crammed this collection into twelve rooms of his expanded

house. There startling representations of Negroes, Orientals, and

bearded Caucasians were included as were motifs of Egyptians,

Sumerian and other ancient non-hemispheric civilisations, as well as

portrayals of Bigfoot and aquatic monsterlike creatures, weird

human-animal mixtures, and a host of other inexplicable creations.

Teeth from an extinct Ice Age horse, the skeleton of a mammoth, and

a number of human skulls were found at the same site as the ceramic

artefacts.

 

Radio-carbon dating in the laboratories of the University of

Pennsylvania and additional tests using the thermoluminescence

method of dating pottery were performed to determine the age of the

objects. Results indicated the objects were made about 6,500 years

ago, around 4,500 BC. A team of experts at another university,

shown Jalrud's half-dozen samples but unaware of their origin, ruled

out the possibility that they could have been modern reproductions.

However, they fell silent when told of their controversial source.

 

In 1952, in an effort to debunk this weird collection which was

gaining a certain amount of fame, American archaeologist Charles C.

DiPeso claimed to have minutely examined the then 32,000 pieces

within not more than four hours spent at the home of Julsrud. In a

forthcoming book, long delayed by continuing developments in his

investigation, archaeological investigator John H. Tierney, who has

lectured on the case for decades, points out that to have done that

DiPeso would have had to have inspected 133 pieces per minute

steadily for four hours, whereas in actuality, it would have

required weeks merely to have separated the massive jumble of

exhibits and arranged them properly for a valid evaluation.

 

Tierney, who collaborated with the later Professor Hapgood, the late

William N. Russell, and others in the investigation, charges that

the Smithsonian Institution and other archaeological authorities

conducted a campaign of disinformation against the discoveries. The

Smithsonian had, early in the controversy, dismissed the entire

Acambaro collection as an elaborate hoax. Also, utilising the

Freedom of Information Act, Tierney discovered that practically the

entirety of the Smithsonian's Julsrud case files are missing.

 

After two expeditions to the site in 1955 and 1968, Professor

Charles Hapgood, a professor of history and anthropology at the

University of New Hampshire, recorded the results of his 18-year

investigation of Acambaro in a privately printed book entitled

MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO. Hapgood was initially an open-minded skeptic

concerning the collection but became a believer after his first

visit in 1955, at which time he witnessed some of the figures being

excavated and even dictated to the diggers where he wanted them to

dig.

 

Adding to the mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact

that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia, through the

late Director of PreHispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo Noguera, (who,

as head of an official investigating team at the site, issued a

report which Tierney will be publishing), admitted "the apparent

scientific legality with which these objects wer found." Despite

evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because

of the objects 'fantastic' nature, they had to have been a hoax

played on Julsrud!

 

A disappointed but ever-hopeful Julsrud died. His house was sold

and the collection put in storage. The collection is not currently

open to the public.

 

Perhaps the most amazing suppression of all is the excavation of an

Egyptian tomb by the Smithsonian itself in Arizona. A lengthy front

page story of the PHOENIX GAZETTE on 5 April 1909 (follows this

article), gave a highly detailed report of the discovery and

excavation of a rock-cut vault by an expedition led by a Professor

S.A. Jordan of the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian, however, claims to

have absolutely no knowledge of the discovery or its discoverers.

 

The World Explorers Club decided to check on this story by calling

the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., though we felt there was little

chance of getting any real information. After speaking briefly to

an operator, we were transferred to a Smithsonian staff

archaeologist, and a woman's voice came on the phone and identified

herself.

 

I told her that I was investigating a story from a 1909 Phoenix

newspaper article about the Smithsonian Institution's having

excavated rock-cut vaults in the Grand Canyon where Egyptian

artefacts had been discovered, and whether the Smithsonian

Institution could give me any more information on the subject.

 

"Well, the first thing I can tell you, before we go any further,"

she said, "is that no Egyptian artefacts of any kind have ever been

found in North or South America. Therefore, I can tell you that the

Smithsonian Institute has never been involved in any such

excavations." She was quite helpful and polite but, in the end,

knew nothing. Neither she nor anyone else with whom I spoke could

find any record of the discovery or either G.E. Kinkaid and

Professor S.A. Jordan.

 

While it cannot be discounted that the entire story is an elaborate

newspaper hoax, the fact that it was on the front page, named the

prestigious Smithsonian Institution, and gave a highly detailed

story that went on for several pages, lends a great deal to its

credibility. It is hard to believe such a story could have come out

of thin air.

 

Is the Smithsonian Institution covering up an archaeological

discovery of immense importance? If this story is true it would

radically change the current view that there was no transoceanic

contact in pre-Columbian times, and that all American Indians, on

both continents, are descended from Ice Age explorers who came

across the Bering Strait. (Any information on G.E. Kinkaid and

Professor S.A. Jordan, or their alleged discoveries, that readers

may have would be greatly appreciated.....write to Childress at the

World Explorers Club at the above address.)

 

Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the

ancient past so objectionable and preposterous that it must be

covered up? Perhaps the Smithsonian Institution is more interested

in maintaining the status quo than rocking the boat with astonishing

new discoveries that overturn previously accepted academic

teachings.

 

Historian and linguist Carl Hart, editor of WORLD EXPLORER, then

obtained a hiker's map of the Grand Canyon from a bookstore in

Chicago. Poring over the map, we were amazed to see that much of

the area on the north side of the canyon has Egyptian names. The

area around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock

formations, apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra,

Horus Temple, Osiris Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon

area were such names as the Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister,

Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva Temple. Was there any

relationship between these places and the alleged Egyptian

discoveries in the Grand Canyon?

 

We called a state archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and were told

that the early explorers had just liked Egyptian and Hindu names,

but that it was true that this area was off limits to hikers or

other visitors, "because of dangerous caves."

 

Indeed, this entire area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in

the Grand Canyon is a forbidden zone - no one is allowed into this

large area.

 

We could only conclude that this was the area where the vaults were

located. Yet today, this area is curiously off-limits to all hikers

and even, in large part, park personnel.

 

I believe that the discerning reader will see that if only a small

part of the "Smithsoniangate" evidence is true, then our most

hallowed archaeological institution has been actively involved in

suppressing evidence for advanced American cultures, evidence for

ancient voyages of various cultures to North America, evidence for

anomalistic giants and other oddball artefacts, and evidence that

tends to disprove the official dogma that is now the history of

North America.

 

The Smithsonian's Board of Regents still refuses to open its

meetings to the news media or the public. If Americans were ever

allowed inside the 'nation's attic', as the Smithsonian has been

called, what skeletons might they find?

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from the front page of THE PHOENIX GAZETTE of April 5th, 1909

 

EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON

Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern being brought to light

Jordan is enthused

Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient

 

The latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now

regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archeological

discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the

world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought

to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid, the explorer who found the

great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from

Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,

several months ago.

 

According to the story related to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the

archaelogists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the

expeditions, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove

that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid

rock by human hands, was of oriental origin, possibly from Egypt,

tracing back to Ramses. If their theories are borne out by the

translation of the tablets engraved with heiroglyphics, the mystery

of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who

they were and whence they came, will be solved. Egypt and the Nile,

and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain

running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the

fictionist.

 

A Thorough Examination

 

Under the direction of Prof. S. A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute

is now prosecuting the most thorough explorations, which will be

continued until the last link in the chain is forged. Nearly a mile

underground, about 1480 feet below the surface, the long main

passage has been delved into, to find another mammoth chamber from

which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel.

 

Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways

running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for

854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles

which have never been known as native to this country, and doubtless

they had their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper

instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state

of civilization reached by these strange people. So interested have

the scientists become that preparations are being made to equip the

camp for extensive studies, and the force will be increased to

thirty or forty persons.

 

Mr. Kinkaid's Report

 

Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an

explorer and hunter all his life, thirty years having been in the

service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his

history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque.

 

"First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The

entrance is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on

government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty

of trespass. The scientists wish to work unmolested, without fear

of archeological discoveries being disturbed by curio or relic

hunters.

 

A trip there would be fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on

his way. The story of how I found the cavern has been related, but

in a paragraph: I was journeying down the Colorado river in a boat,

alone, looking for mineral. Some forty-two miles up the river from

the El Tovar Crystal canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the

sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the river bed. There

was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great

difficulty.

 

Above a shelf which hid it from view from the river, was the mouth

of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty

yards to what was, at the time the cavern was inhabited, the level

of the river. When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the

entrance, I became interested, securing my gun and went in. During

that trip I went back several hundred feet along the main passage

till I came to the crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of

these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a

number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, from

whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery.

Following this, the explorations were undertaken.

 

The Passages

 

"The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet

toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first

side-passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both

sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms

of today, though some are 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered

by oval-shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through

the walls into the passages. The walls are about three feet six

inches in thickness.

 

The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out

by an engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a

center. The side-passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle

from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right

angle in direction.

[Guest Administrator]

Kilometarski tekstovi , i to na engleskom .....

 

 

Meni je najveca misterija ovo : zašto je skoro svaka snežna pahuljica različita i zašto , tj kako dobija takve veličanstvene oblike ? Explain that !

[Novaliis]

Cudo prirode.

 

Na formiranje i izgled snezne pahuljice uticu brojni elementi, od temperature do broja molekula vode. A neverovatan izgled nastaje zbog toga sto sama pahuljica poprima oblik unutrasnnje strukture molekula vode. Ti molekuli u cvrstom stanju stvaraju veze izmedju sebe koje su najcesce simetricnog, heksagonalnog oblika, bas kao i pahuljice. Druga prica je zbog cega je sneg bele boje, ako je voda bezbojna.

 

I evo samo da zavrsim zapocet tekst. Poslednji treci deo i od mene nema vise copy/paste postova.

 

 

The Shrine

 

"Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several

hundred feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the

people's god, sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in

each hand. The cast of the face is oriental, and the carving this

cavern. The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are

not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into

consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that this

worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.

 

Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in

form; others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical,

probably, of good and evil. There are two large cactus with

protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god

squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble. In

the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all

descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the

lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals

for centureis without result. On a bench running around the

workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the

process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing

that these ancients smelted ores, but so far no trace of where or

how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.

 

"Among the other finds are vases or urns and cups of copper and

gold, made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes

enameled ware and glazed vessels. Another passageway leads to

granaries such as are found in the oriental temples. They contain

seeds of varous kinds. One very large storehouse has not yet been

entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from

above. Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which indicates that

some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded, as

the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a ver hard

cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles

the scientists, for its identity has not been established. It

resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere

are what people call "cats eyse', a yellow stone of no great value.

Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type.

 

The Hieroglyphics

 

"On all the urns, or walls over doorways , and tablets of stone

which were found by the image are the mysterious hieroglyphics, the

key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The

engraving on the tables probably has something to do with the

religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphics have been found in

southern Arizona. Among the pictorial writings, only two animals

are found. One is of prehistoric type.

 

The Crypt

 

"The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the

largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of

about 35 degrees. On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying

a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench, on

which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the

mummies are covered with clay, and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.

 

The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher

shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design, showing a later

stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies

examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being

buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section

was the warriors' barracks.

 

"Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no

skins, no clothing, no bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for

water vessels. One room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the

main dining hall, for cooking utensils are found here. What these

people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came

south in the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in

the summer.

 

Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the caverns

comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found in

Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which

inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years

before the Christian era, a people lived here which reached a high

stage of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of

gaps. Professor Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and

believes that the find will prove of incalculable value in

archeological work.

 

"One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one

chamber of the passageway to which is not ventilated, and when we

approached it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our light would not

penetrate the gloom, and until stronger ones are available we will

not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but other

boo-hoo this idea and think it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals

used by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just

the same. The whole underground installation gives one of shaky

nerves the creeps. The gloom is like a weight on one's shoulders,

and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker.

Imagination can revel in conjectures and ungodly daydreams back

through the ages that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in

space."

 

An Indian Legend

 

In connection with this story, it is notable that among the Hopi

Indians the tradition is told that their ancestors once lived in an

underworld in the Grand Canyon till dissension arose between the

good and the bad, the people of one heart and the people of two

hearts. Machetto, who was their chief, counseled them to leave the

underworld, but there was no way out. The chief then caused a tree

to grow up and pierce the roof of the underworld, and then the

people of one heart climbed out. They tarried by Paisisvai (Red

River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn.

 

They sent out a message to the Temple of the Sun, asking the

blessing of peace, good will and rain for people of one heart. That

messenger never returned, but today at the Hopi villages at sundown

can be seen the old men of the tribe out on the housetops gazing

toward the sun, looking for the messenger. When he returns, their

lands and ancient dwelling place will be restored to them. That is

the tradition.

 

Among the engravings of animals in the cave is seen the image of a

heart over the spot where it is located. The legend was learned by

W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians.

 

There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that

they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper

Nile region. Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin

of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw

further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Novaliis

[Guest Administrator]

Evo neki primeri :

 

 

 

 

 

[Novaliis]

Priroda stvara najlepse oblike, moze se otvoriti posebna tema o geometriji u prirodi. Mene posebno fasciniraju spiralni oblici...ima ih svuda.

 

 

Iako sam mislio da na ovoj temi postujem samo o misterijama na nasoj planeti, evo necega iz svemira

 

Sta mislite o belim rupama koje bi trebalo da predstavljaju suprotnost crnim rupama? Ajnstajn je, kazu a ja ne znam sigurno jer nisam dovoljno pametan, matematicki dokazao postojanje ovih rupa u svemiru. Bele rupe bi, po tome, trebalo da izbacuju ogromne kolicine materije iz nicega, sto bi ako je istina, objasnilo mnogo toga povodom porekla materije. Mislim da nije otkrivena jos nijedna bela rupa i da one postoje samo u teoriji, ali ako postoje crne (a vecina veruje, pa i moderna nauka) onda je logicno da spotoje i bele. Pitanje je, jesu li to kapije ka drugim dimenzijama? Ka nekim svetovima koje mi ne mozemo da percipiramo u obicnom ljudskom obliku?

[Novaliis]

Bloop

 

Zvuk ultra niske frekvencije koji su naucnici uhvatili 1997. godine u okeanu i koji je nepoznatog porekla. Jedino sto se zna jeste da je bioloskog porekla, tj. neko zivo bice ga je proizvelo ali ne zna se koje. Misterija je u tome sto, prema karakteristici zvuka, ovo bice mora da bude mnogo vece od bilo koje najvece zivotinje nama poznate.

[Guest Administrator]

Pa dno okeana je istrazeno samo 5 % , ko zna sta i ko sve zivi dole

[RokateLi]

A ovo je njen sin:

 

 

Malo lici na Ljubisu Samardzica...

 

 

Da se nadovezem na prvi post sa teme i pridodam jos par misterija:

 

Kratak tekst o Dropa-plemenu sa Tibeta, objavljen u Nexus-u.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/baian_kara_ula_upd.html

 

I jedan tekst sa Wikipedije o Homo floresiensis-u (poznatijem kao Hobit) ciji su ostaci pronadjeni na Indonezanskom ostrvu pre 7 godina:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

[Novaliis]

Bile su neke emisije o rasi Hobita na tv-u. Veoma zanimljivo, mislim da niko ne bi verovao u tako nesto da nema tako cvrstih dokaza. Cak su i neki naucnici bezuspesno pokusali da opovrgnu njihovo postojanje. Nasa planeta je bila, i danas jos uvek jeste, nastanjena takvim fantasticnim bicima da nam nisu potrebne nikakve knjige o fantaziji i sl. Sve imamo ovde, u nasoj realnosti. Mnogo toga jos imamo da istrazimo..

Cuo sam i za taj narod sa Tibeta, ali nisam siguran koliko tu ima istine? Izgledaju stvarno kao vanzemaljci..

 

Da li ste culi za Argentavis-a? Najveca ptica letelica ikada, velicine manjeg aviona. Stvorenje izgleda kao da je izaslo iz nekog filma o Sindbadu. Samo guglajte naziv i videcete.

 

Potom, Basilosaurus. Nekada se mislilo da je to bilo dzinovsko reptiloidno morsko cudoviste, pa od toga potice takav naziv (-saurus). Njegova glava je imala reptiloidni oblik a fosilni ostaci ovih stovrenja su ranije bili popularni za pravljenje namestaja u juznoj Americi (zbog velicine).

 

Chalicothere. Pogledajte samo kako je izgledalo to stvorenje. Prava epska fantastika.

 

Lista moze ici u nedogled.

 

 

Edit:

 

Moram jos da dodam i drevnu morsku skorpiju koja je bila duga oko 3 metra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurypterid

 

Megalania - dzinovski guster dug do 7 metara

 

Pliosaur - morski reptil dug do 15 metara

Edited September 25, 2010 by Novaliis

[рогозуб]

zashto pishesh o jbnim misterijama sveta u jbnih 4 ujutru? xD

[Novaliis]

Znao sam da ce neko pitati.

Ne mogu da spavam, to je jedini razlog. I onda surfujem netom u potrazi za zanimljivostima i postujem nesto od toga ovde.

[RokateLi]

Da li ste culi za Argentavis-a? Najveca ptica letelica ikada, velicine manjeg aviona. Stvorenje izgleda kao da je izaslo iz nekog filma o Sindbadu. Samo guglajte naziv i videcete.

 

prva asocijacija:

http://dnd.rushland.eu/images/galerie/gal01/gryphon.jpg

 

Sto se tice Dropa plemena, najzastupljenija teorija je da su njihovi preci neki izumrli oblik primata, u tu kategoriju se najcesce svrstava i indonezanski hobit. Druga teorija je da su oni potomci vanzemaljaca koji su se srusili na Tibet i opisali taj dogadjaj na kamenim diskovima... da ne gnjavim sa tim, sve je objasnjeno na ovom linku: (dropa stones)

Medjutim, ni jedna ni druga teorija za sada ne mogu da se opovrgnu ili dokazu, s obzirom da se ostaci dropa nalaze u posedu kineske vlade a oni ne zele da saradjuju sa ostatkom sveta... u svakom slucaju, i ako bi se prilikom analize urvrdilo da im im se DNK razlikuje od ljudskog, opet ne bi dokazivalo nekakvo vanzemaljsko poreklo, jer bi podejednako dokazivalo ovu prvobitnu, malo vise skepticnu teoriju da su potomci nekih jos neotkrivenih primata. Mada i jedna i druga teorija zvuce kao naucna fantastika...

 

 

Lista moze ici u nedogled.

http://www.sharenator.com/Worlds_strangest_looking_animals/

Edited September 25, 2010 by LokateLi

[Talvi]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18641_7-terrifying-prehistoric-creatures-that-are-still-around.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended

[Guest Avalok]

 

 

Ova zivotinjica meni izgleda skroz nerealno.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Avalok

[Novaliis]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18641_7-terrifying-prehistoric-creatures-that-are-still-around.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended

 

Sjajna lista.

 

Meni je ova zivotinja totalno kul i steta sto je izumrla. Oooogroman jelen...

 

Irish Elk

 

 

LokateLi - Sto se tice Dropa plemena, ne moraju oni biti vanzemaljskog porekla da bi bili zanimljivi. Sami po sebi vec izgledaju totalno drugacije i zanimljivo. I kao sto kazes, obe teorije su fanstasticne. Trece je da je u pitanju prevara...

[hypnos]

Bloop

 

Zvuk ultra niske frekvencije koji su naucnici uhvatili 1997. godine u okeanu i koji je nepoznatog porekla. Jedino sto se zna jeste da je bioloskog porekla, tj. neko zivo bice ga je proizvelo ali ne zna se koje. Misterija je u tome sto, prema karakteristici zvuka, ovo bice mora da bude mnogo vece od bilo koje najvece zivotinje nama poznate.

 

jbt stvarno misteriozno

[hypnos]

 

 

Ova zivotinjica meni izgleda skroz nerealno.

 

 

ovo je u laboratoriji napravljeno,nema sanse da moze ovako prirodno da se nesto stvori.

[Guest Шејтанов Чобан]

Та животињица је старија од било које лабораторије,само се појављује у неким деловима света па нисмо имали прилике да их видимо.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerboa

 

А ево чега све има по океанима

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttxz8KfigmY

Edited September 26, 2010 by Шејтанов Чобан

[Novaliis]

Neverovatna stvorenja. Mislim da bih se vise plasio da uronim u dubine okeana nego da istrazim svemir.

 

Evo jos jedne zanimljivosti.

 

Staklena zaba:

 

 

 

Inace, da li neko ovde gleda Destination Truth? I ako da, sta mislite o toj emisiji. Bila je jedna zanimljiva epizoda pre nekoliko dana, kada su posetili Cernobil. To mesto je bas jezivo i navodno ima duhova.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Novaliis

[NećuDisplejNejm]

gledala sam par puta to, ali mi se ne dopada preterano, a najvise zbog glasa onog glavnog lika.cim ga cujem digne mi se kosa na glavi xD